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Old 02-14-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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Final comment addressed to you, although I know you will have to have the last word, no one in here mentioned anything about the Arab involvement in the slave trade; therefore, it was not addressed. If someone did, then I missed it. Similarly, no one in here mentioned the Jewish involvement in the slave trade either. And, just like the Arab involvement, I must have missed it as well.

But, again, you are taking this directly to heart. Keep dry snitching. It, still, does not deflect from the European involvement. Like someone else said, you should not feel bad about what happened nor get stressed out over something that you did not do.

As a suggestion, you should not waste your time "debating" with me; there are plenty of lemurs in this thread who are willing to jump off of the "it's not the White man's fault" cliff with you. I think you are taking this way too personally.

Don't look forward to any more responses from me. So, go ahead and get the last word in.
In fairness, you keep calling it "European Involvement" when in reality it was a key group of a FEW countries in Europe doing this. This was the same discussion you got into about lumping together "blacks" that sold other africans into slavery.

Again, probably everyone in this thread has an ancestor involved in slavery depending on how far back you go.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Just curious, but the will of my relative did mention some partial names for some of the slaves. It's really a long shot, but is there any way to research them?

Would they show up in a census?
I think that would depend upon where the slaves lived? Southern states would not have listed them by name, but some Northern states did, and even that was rare.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:34 PM
 
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Just curious, but the will of my relative did mention some partial names for some of the slaves. It's really a long shot, but is there any way to research them?

Would they show up in a census?
Maybe. Might want to contact the folks here.

Africana Heritage Project ( http://www.africanaheritage.com/index.asp - broken link)

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Old 02-15-2011, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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As a suggestion, you should not waste your time "debating" with me; there are plenty of lemurs in this thread who are willing to jump off of the "it's not the White man's fault" cliff with you. I think you are taking this way too personally.
Although this was not directed to me, and although it is not relevant to the validity or non-validity of your comment, in the interest of accuracy I would propose that you probably meant "lemmings" rather than "lemurs". A lemur is an aboreal primate of Madagascar and adjacent islands, whereas a lemming is a rodent of northern Europe noted for its mass migrations as a result of periodic population increases.
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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Although this was not directed to me, and although it is not relevant to the validity or non-validity of your comment, in the interest of accuracy I would propose that you probably meant "lemmings" rather than "lemurs". A lemur is an aboreal primate of Madagascar and adjacent islands, whereas a lemming is a rodent of northern Europe noted for its mass migrations as a result of periodic population increases.

Mass migrations and mass suicides.
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:26 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Although this was not directed to me, and although it is not relevant to the validity or non-validity of your comment, in the interest of accuracy I would propose that you probably meant "lemmings" rather than "lemurs". A lemur is an aboreal primate of Madagascar and adjacent islands, whereas a lemming is a rodent of northern Europe noted for its mass migrations as a result of periodic population increases.
Dang. I was having much more fun picturing all of you as cute fuzzy little creatures with big eyes. Rodents are nearly as cute.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Some T-1 Line
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Although this was not directed to me, and although it is not relevant to the validity or non-validity of your comment, in the interest of accuracy I would propose that you probably meant "lemmings" rather than "lemurs". A lemur is an aboreal primate of Madagascar and adjacent islands, whereas a lemming is a rodent of northern Europe noted for its mass migrations as a result of periodic population increases.
You are correct. As with history, we all make mistakes.

Now, back on topic. Thanks for the correction.
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: DC
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I understand where your heart is with this one, but I have to respectfully disagree.

Slavery was an accepted institution in America and in Europe...for a time. But, in a way, your statement rings true. Owning another person was not an accepted social norm in America; however, blacks were not considered people - they were property. They were considered "sub-human" and destined for slavery by none other than the Holy Bible and Christianity (at least that's the interpretation of early Europeans).

The north had their role to play in slavery as someone in this thread has accurately pointed out (sorry not to cite you, but too busy/lazy to do so). Also, someone has accurately pointed out the root cause behind the North's support of keeping the South from leaving the Union. Moreover, Lincoln was not the great emancipator that people think. It was a tactical move, but we are grateful for it nonetheless.

I agree that it is not an equivalent of a hedonistic lifestyle and an incredibly evil institution.
The slave trade in Britain was abolished in 1807. The underground railroad existed in the US almost from it's inception. Jefferson, Adams, and many other founders of this country considered slavery a evil institution. By the early 1800s there was an understanding that slavery was inconsistent with the ideals of a free society. Many southern slave holders freed their slaves after the death of the owner. That's clearly an indication that they understood the inherent evil of slavery, but lacked the integrity to suffer the financial costs of freeing their slaves immediately. Slavery persisted until the Civil War for one reason, it was profitable.

BTW Lincoln was a staunch abolitionist, but also a pragmatist.
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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quote: "But, again, you are taking this directly to heart. Keep dry snitching. It, still, does not deflect from the European involvement. Like someone else said, you should not feel bad about what happened nor get stressed out over something that you did not do."


Are you for real? Again, completely unfounded assumptions......

No point in debating anyone who insists on doing this- you have no idea how I feel, or more to the point, don't feel.

I hope I am the very last to respond to any of your bombastic assertions.
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Old 02-15-2011, 12:18 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Well, My great grandfather owned 300 slaves. I'm not related to any africans though.
....that you are aware of.
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