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Old 01-09-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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But many, at least in the Southern areas of the state (including the Governor, for which I have detailed genealogy), had ancestors that came over prior and during the Mexican Revolution. No, that doesn't make them Mexican themselves, and I am not saying there is a conscious decision to hide their ancestry. Often they are unaware of it, or don't think it is worth mentioning.
Sort of a Marco Rubio non-full disclosure problem?
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Do people in NM try to do that? Seems more like an OK kind of thing.
Thinning the tribal rolls has been happeining in OK to a degree, but where it is most pronounced has been among the California Nations. When the casinos came in, lots of people have been dropped. I don't know about New Mexico.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:01 PM
 
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Ok I need help. For over the last 6 years my family has been looking for an ancestor. We found records on several websites including Ancestry.com that has this person listed in the 1860, 70 and 80 census. Under "Nationality" she is listed as Native American but under place of birth it says, "Mexico" It says her parents were also born in Mexico.

She was born 1833, 34 or 35. These are the years when Texas was a part of Mexico, "Texico". Texas gains independence in 1836 or so then a statehood. What I need explained is how can someone be "Native American" and be born in Mexico - especially when Texas was not a part of the U.S.? If she was even born in Texico. HELP!!!
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Because Mexico is part of America, as is Canada, Panama, Argentina ... it's all America. I would imagine, too, that the census would not call them "Native American" but would call them "Indian" - and that's not specific to the United States.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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Census Rules
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:18 PM
 
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My Grandmother was born in Central Mexico...but that does not make me "part Mexican"...I am thinking...she was blonde, with blue eyes...born of Mormon settlers who went there after polygamy was illegal in US.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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Enrico? I dont follow ... "Mexico is part of America"? It may be part of the "Americas" North, Central and South but Bolivians, Canadians and others not born in the U.S. are not considered American by the U. S. Census.

All I am trying to is understand the term "Native American" as it applied in 1860.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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Mexicans aren't native to the U.S. That's why they aren't seen as Native Americans... just Mexicans.
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:00 AM
 
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Enrico? I dont follow ... "Mexico is part of America"? It may be part of the "Americas" North, Central and South but Bolivians, Canadians and others not born in the U.S. are not considered American by the U. S. Census.

All I am trying to is understand the term "Native American" as it applied in 1860.
There was no term "Native American" as it applied in 1860. That is a modern day, politically-correct invention. In 1860, indigenous people were all "Indians." There are Indian tribes native to Canada, to the U.S., to Mexico, etc. In a US census, they would all be classed as Indian.

The census didn't ask anyone whether they were Americans or not. They asked their race, their birthplace, and their citizenship status (though not in 1860). None of those things are "American."
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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Lets see:

From US Census

Name: Marie Treme'
Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1834
Birthplace: Mexico
Home in 1880: New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Mexico
Mother's Birthplace: Mexico
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