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Old 08-19-2014, 04:15 AM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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Jewish is a religion, a man-made concept. DNA cannot determine your religion because you either believe in the religion or you do not. Just as a DNA test is not going to tell if you believe in the tooth fairy, flat Earth, or are a Southern Baptists.

You are confusing what DNA does tell you, and making a correlation that in itself, means you are of a certain religion, all the while forgetting the basics of religion is actually believing in it.

For example; the DNA states a strong marker for group A, group A is also known for having a lot of people participate in religion Z. You of course would correlate that to mean you must be religion Z, right? Well, it is just a simplistic correlation with really no meaning to it. There are also members of group A that are of other religions, and, religion is a man-made concept, you either are a believer or not,that is what makes you a member of a particular religion.
You have not read this thread.
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Old 08-21-2014, 01:11 AM
 
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The "Jews are Khazars" Theory is an old one put forth by anti-Zionists and has been thoroughly discredited. Texe Marrs is a conspiracy theorist and anti-Semite.

Most ethnologists agree there are certain genetic markers that can determine Ashkenazi ancestry.
Very popular with conspiracy theorists, who then claim that Ashkenazi are not Jews at all. Bringing us full circle to Judaism not being a race (which it's not). The whole Khazars argument is nothing but an attempt to paint Jews in a negative way. Also see Illuminati...supposedly Khazars. Nonsense.
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Old 08-21-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Table Rock Lake
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Still an interesting discussion. Thank you for your time and efforts!!

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Old 10-01-2014, 01:13 AM
 
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Old 10-01-2014, 01:16 AM
 
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You also just contradicted yourself. You just said that Jewish isn't an ethnicity, but then said that Palestinians are descendants of the original Jews. Which is it?
No I did not contradict myself at all! You came in midstream and lack context and nuance. I was saying that following the supposed claim of Jewish being an ethnicity then that would mean populations like the Palestinians would qualify as such.

Jewish is more of a religious group. It has had so many converts coming in and Jews have heavily mixed with others over the years wherever they settled!
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Old 10-01-2014, 01:19 AM
 
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The "Jews are Khazars" Theory is an old one put forth by anti-Zionists and has been thoroughly discredited. Texe Marrs is a conspiracy theorist and anti-Semite.

Most ethnologists agree there are certain genetic markers that can determine Ashkenazi ancestry.
Speaking the truth or claiming that one is probably not descended from original Jews, Hebrews, or any Semitic people for that matter is NOT Anti Semitic. Anti Zionists are NOT Anti Semitic.

In fact many true anti Semites would support Zionism as Zionism and Anti Semitism are really two sides of the same coin.

Zionism had murdered Judaism sadly enough.

Challenging a person does not mean one is anti Semitic.

Btw, the Khazar theory has not been disproved at all. Somewhere in the truth lies the middle. The Khazar theory is a half truth and a half lie!
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Old 10-01-2014, 01:25 AM
 
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The "Jews are Khazars" Theory is an old one put forth by anti-Zionists and has been thoroughly discredited. Texe Marrs is a conspiracy theorist and anti-Semite.

Most ethnologists agree there are certain genetic markers that can determine Ashkenazi ancestry.
And how can genetics and DNA determine "Azhkenazi" ancestry?? If all diasporic populations of Jews share an ancient common origin how can one determine which genes and DNA are Azhkenazi and which ones are Sephardim or Mizrahi or West African Bilad Al Sudan or Ethiopian Falsha, Falshmura or Somalian Jewish or Tanzanian or Zanzibarians or Persian or Cochin or Bene Israel of India among others and much more etc?

Please explain
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Old 10-01-2014, 01:26 AM
 
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The "Jews are Khazars" Theory is an old one put forth by anti-Zionists and has been thoroughly discredited. Texe Marrs is a conspiracy theorist and anti-Semite.

Most ethnologists agree there are certain genetic markers that can determine Ashkenazi ancestry.
There is no Jewish gene. There is the Cohen Gene. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is found among many Jewish populations of the world, including Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Bene Israel of India.

The Cohen Modal Haplotype, which belongs to haplogroup J, was a component of the ancient Israelite population, and especially common among the Cohens (priests of the Temple in Jerusalem).

The Cohen Modal Haplotype is not exclusively found among Jews, but rather is also found among Kurds, Armenians, Italians, Palestinians, Arabs, and a few other peoples.

About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism.
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Old 10-01-2014, 07:36 AM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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Old 10-01-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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