Would you consider someone 1/32nd Native American, Native American? (blonde, results, Indians)
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I might be re-stating something already mentioned upthread but-
many part Native people won't bother with tribal enrollment. For different reasons........
Years ago I befriended a Native American man who was wealthy from tribal money (casino) - he chose to make a career in the Armed Services as he wanted to show people Natives cared as much about representing America as a great place. He considered himself a Native man first, and a special forces soldier second...and so on.
Just saying.
IMO there's nothing wrong with being proud of one's heritage.
I can't see being proud of something that is an accident of birth. It's one thing you had no control of.
I can't see being proud of something that is an accident of birth. It's one thing you had no control of.
Your parents choosing to have you, and passing on their cultural values to you is not an "accident of birth" it is the purposeful transmission of generational heritage and belonging.
To learn this knowledge, appreciate it, and be proud of what your ancestors were, and how you fit into the generational chain is one of the most awesome (and personalized) parts of yourself.
Now, you do have control over whether you reject these values and your heritage. You do have control over whether or not you openly disagree with those that find value in it. Some people never learn it for various reasons. As someone who lives in the same place my ancestors settled down in the 1760s, I greatly appreciate it and yes, am extremely proud of who I am...........the product of my ancestors choices, successes, failures, pain, joy, etc. Their decisions make you who you are far more than you could ever imagine. One broken link in your family tree means "you" don't exist.
Your parents choosing to have you, and passing on their cultural values to you is not an "accident of birth" it is the purposeful transmission of generational heritage and belonging.
To learn this knowledge, appreciate it, and be proud of what your ancestors were, and how you fit into the generational chain is one of the most awesome (and personalized) parts of yourself.
Now, you do have control over whether you reject these values and your heritage. You do have control over whether or not you openly disagree with those that find value in it. Some people never learn it for various reasons. As someone who lives in the same place my ancestors settled down in the 1760s, I greatly appreciate it and yes, am extremely proud of who I am...........the product of my ancestors choices, successes, failures, pain, joy, etc. Their decisions make you who you are far more than you could ever imagine. One broken link in your family tree means "you" don't exist.
Of course those things make you what you are. I find nothing more interesting than working on my tree. But proud? Nope. Pride should be reserved for YOUR abilities and accomplishments. You had absolutely nothing to do with being born into a certain family in a certain area.
I am glad I am the nationality that I am. But certainly not proud of it.
Of course those things make you what you are. I find nothing more interesting than working on my tree. But proud? Nope. Pride should be reserved for YOUR abilities and accomplishments. You had absolutely nothing to do with being born into a certain family in a certain area.
I am glad I am the nationality that I am. But certainly not proud of it.
A not uncommon refrain I have heard over and over, but still reject. I am proud of my ancestors, proud of who they were, proud of what they taught their children, and I am proud of what I am passing on to my kids too. Any break in that chain, including my inclusion into my family's culture and feeling of belonging, and that connection falls apart.
What cultures are passed on when the people who possess them completely reject the idea that who they are is something to be proud of?
I'm not trying to upset anyone but there's a subculture of Caucasian people who adopt African-American culture. It's cute. There are derogatory names for this subculture, but it does indicate that some people are willing to grow beyond what limiting views they might have been raised with, to reach out for something more.
Native Americans have historically experienced some of the worst things any group of people can experience. Everything they have to teach us is valuable.
For some tribal enrollment is pointless, but tribes still matter.
Of course those things make you what you are. I find nothing more interesting than working on my tree. But proud? Nope. Pride should be reserved for YOUR abilities and accomplishments. You had absolutely nothing to do with being born into a certain family in a certain area.
I am glad I am the nationality that I am. But certainly not proud of it.
I think some of this is semantics.
I am proud of my Jewish background because I feel good about who I am and where I came from. I do not conflate this fact, which is absolutely an accident of birth, with any sort of personal ability or accomplishment.
If someone told you they were only 1/32nd native american but identified as a native american would you find that strange at all?
I would not care one way or another. I, personally, would not make a big deal out of being 3% of one particular nationality. I know people who make a big deal of being Scottish or German or some other national group but in reality, they might only be 1/8 or 1/16 of that nationality if you look at their DNA results. It is a family thing.
I would not care one way or another. I, personally, would not make a big deal out of being 3% of one particular nationality. I know people who make a big deal of being Scottish or German or some other national group but in reality, they might only be 1/8 or 1/16 of that nationality if you look at their DNA results. It is a family thing.
Funny thing...kinda.
My sister did a 23 and me dna test, and come to find out, she's 3% German...so about the same as our Native American ancestry. I assume my German ancestry is probably about the same.
We're not sure who our German ancestors were. We don't (personally) relate to our German ancestry. I have no stories about our German ancestors, etc.
The Current Chief of the Cherokee Nation is Bill John Baker and he is only 1/32nd native american. Is this enough to really identity yourself as a native american?
If someone told you they were only 1/32nd native american but identified as a native american would you find that strange at all?
I just saw this 11 year later cuz someone responded today, but I am 1/16 - my maternal granfather was 1/4 and last trip to 'cherokee' I found his family 'lodge' in the historical center so I proved out the family 'legend'.
I always tell people about myself: "not enough to own a casino, but more than Liz warren!" ;-)
PS: Brigham youngs sister was also a great great something grandmother on my maternal grandmother - so am I a Mormon indian? Does that make me jewish?
In today's society the rule is, if you say you are a Dawg, people are obligated to respect your wishes.
Problem solved.
Lodestar, indigenous person, just not from here.
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