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There were an estimated 15,000 sub-Saharan Africans living in England at the time of the Somerset case of 1772 their DNA was absorbed into the gene pool.
Isolated cases do not speak for the vast majority of the ethnic British and Irish populations. Those found in Yorkshire were most likely descendants of African slaves who were brought to Britain during the Atlantic Slave-trade era and intermarried with local ethnic English women and continued to marry or intermingle with ethnic English people. Their Y-Dna haplogroups is very rare in Britain and Europe. So let's stop dramatizing that. The fact is that, by the end of the Bronze Age, over 90% of British and Irish men belong to the R1b-L21 Y-DNA haplogroup subclade which was brought by the Proto-Celtics people (Indo-Europeans) who came to Britain, then later Ireland from Central Europe!!! Some of their remains studied recently in Ireland (2015) by Cassidy et al shows thems to genetically indistinguishable from genomes from the Unetice Culture in Central Europe at the the same period. To this day the R1b-L21 Y-DNA makes over two-thirds of the Welsh, Irish, Highland Scottish paternal lineages. This makes the the R1b-L21 the original Gaelic paternal lineage.
It has been mostly invaded from the larger island of Britain. The Vikings did plunder and settle in certain parts of Ireland and then the Normans came. These Normans were already established in Britain and were actually Cambro-Normans. From the time the Normans set foot in Ireland in 1171 to 1922 with the creation of the Irish Free State Britain had a firm grip and the only people settled in Ireland were from Britain.
Black hair, dark brown eyes and olive skin is very rare in the Irish population actually. Even people with dark hair are usually fair skinned and light eyed. Think people like the Corrs, Enya and Pierce Brosnan. Colin Farrell could be labelled "swarthy" I suppose. As I've said previously though there is no population that has only people with a certain type of colouring. There is no mystery to where dark Irish came from because they came from the same source as all the other Irish. If there was anything "exotic" in the Irish population it would be picked up by genetics. The Irish are extremely similar in genetics to the British.
Where do the Black Welsh, Black English and Black Scots come from?
Colin Farrell is not "swarthy", but is darker than what would be average for an Irish group. Don't fall for the Hollywood fake tans.
My family always told me I was Black Irish. The majority of my family is or were (many have passed on now) from south coastal Ireland. The majority of us are very dark hair and brown or green eyes. Not the fair skinned Irish that one thinks of.
From what little research I have done on this subject. It would seem that the Black Irish are descendants of the Basque Region. Which is fine with me. We have to come from somewhere.
False! Black Irish is only a colloquial term, there is no historical or biological basis for it. In the U.S., people of Irish descent who were dark/black-haired were called "Black Irish" due to the stereotype of the "fiery red-haired Irish" or image of Irish of being red or blond-haired. There is absolutely no particular link between a dark-haired Irish person with a Spanish Basque than with a blond-haired Irish person. The Oppenheimer theory which lumped all R1b people to originate in Iberia has been proven false. Nearly all the Y-DNA of the ethnic Britons and Irish arrived very recently through Celtic and Germanic migrations from Central and Northern Europe during the Bronze Age, with most of the Mesolithic (I-M253) coming from Scandinavia.
Autosomal DNA studies show that the British and Irish people are most genetically related to the people in neighboring countries. The Irish are cluster with other North-West Europeans (Scottish, English, North Dutch, Danish), while the Basques are definitely not as closely related as some people would have imagined. Having dark hair and dark eyes doesn't make one automatically a Basque or an Iberian.
False! Black Irish is only a colloquial term, there is no historical or biological basis for it. In the U.S., people of Irish descent who were dark/black-haired were called "Black Irish" due to the stereotype of the "fiery red-haired Irish" or image of Irish of being red or blond-haired. There is absolutely no particular link between a dark-haired Irish person with a Spanish Basque than with a blond-haired Irish person. The Oppenheimer theory which lumped all R1b people to originate in Iberia has been proven false. Nearly all the Y-DNA of the ethnic Britons and Irish arrived very recently through Celtic and Germanic migrations from Central and Northern Europe during the Bronze Age, with most of the Mesolithic (I-M253) coming from Scandinavia.
Autosomal DNA studies show that the British and Irish people are most genetically related to the people in neighboring countries. The Irish are cluster with other North-West Europeans (Scottish, English, North Dutch, Danish), while the Basques are definitely not as closely related as some people would have imagined. Having dark hair and dark eyes doesn't make one automatically a Basque or an Iberian.
I am related to the spanish basques and my Y-DNA is r1b1b2a1a2f*
Another proof there is a link between the British Isles and the Spanish Basques
I am related to the spanish basques and my Y-DNA is r1b1b2a1a2f*
Another proof there is a link between the British Isles and the Spanish Basques
This has been discussed before in other threads. You won't find any direct link and L21 is high in France. The most likely link is some population admixture through France.
Anyway what you need to do is to try and find what you are under L21 (which is much too broad). Then you will have a much better chance of finding if it is most common in Basques or another group.
Most continental Europeans that are L21 don't have a snp that is common in Britain or Ireland e.g. M222, L226 etc.
Anyway Basques don't have a link with the British Isles.
Here is a Basque Ydna project from Family Tree. They appear to have a very varied ydna but the majority if R1b-DF27. They have smatterings of other ydna.
The Spanish Armada in Ireland refers to the landfall made upon the coast of Ireland in September 1588 of a large portion of the 130-strong fleet sent by Philip II to invade England.
Following its defeat at the naval battle of Gravelines the Armada had attempted to return home through the North Atlantic, when it was driven from its course by violent storms, toward the west coast of Ireland. The prospect of a Spanish landing alarmed the Dublin government of Queen Elizabeth I, which prescribed harsh measures for the Spanish invaders and any Irish who might assist them.
Up to 24 ships of the Armada were wrecked on a rocky coastline spanning 500 km, from Antrim in the north to Kerry in the south, and the threat to Crown authority was readily defeated. Many of the survivors of the multiple wrecks were put to death, and the remainder fled across the sea to Scotland. It is estimated that 5,000 members of the fleet perished in Ireland. Some though survived...
The Spanish Armada in Ireland refers to the landfall made upon the coast of Ireland in September 1588 of a large portion of the 130-strong fleet sent by Philip II to invade England.
Following its defeat at the naval battle of Gravelines the Armada had attempted to return home through the North Atlantic, when it was driven from its course by violent storms, toward the west coast of Ireland. The prospect of a Spanish landing alarmed the Dublin government of Queen Elizabeth I, which prescribed harsh measures for the Spanish invaders and any Irish who might assist them.
Up to 24 ships of the Armada were wrecked on a rocky coastline spanning 500 km, from Antrim in the north to Kerry in the south, and the threat to Crown authority was readily defeated. Many of the survivors of the multiple wrecks were put to death, and the remainder fled across the sea to Scotland. It is estimated that 5,000 members of the fleet perished in Ireland. Some though survived...
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Most interestingly, the book says that the group which then came to Ireland and fully established itself as rulers of the island were the Milesians - the sons of Mil, the soldier from Spain. Modern DNA research has actually confirmed that the Irish are close genetic relatives of the people of northern Spain.
While it might seem strange that Ireland was populated from Spain rather than Britain or France, it is worth remembering that in ancient times the sea was one of the fastest and easiest ways to travel. When the land was covered in thick forest, coastal settlements were common and people travelled around the seaboard of Europe quite freely. https://www.sott.net/article/263587-...iously-thought
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Colin Farrell is not "swarthy", but is darker than what would be average for an Irish group. Don't fall for the Hollywood fake tans.
At the same time you probably shouldn't be using photos from paps at Hollywood events, etc since they use bright lights to take photos which can also lighten the skin more. That's not to say that Colin isn't light skinned.
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