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Old 10-13-2013, 01:05 AM
 
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I did one of those DNA tests recently and I guess they claim my mtdna is h1 which my mother is German and French, my dad is j1c3 which traces to the Middle East. My dad was Jewish and didn't have a European sounding lasting name, it actually was a Jewish name.

Anyways they all immigrated from Romania and I think some parts of what used to be Russia, most of my family looks like they came from Greece or Portugal or something and here's the results I got. Not really sure how this would be considered Jewish DNA since all my results look European to me, maybe j1c3 spread into Europe when Romania was part of the Ottoman Empire or something.

Gedmatch.Com

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Revised: Dec 6, 2012

15 components mode.
Component threshold auto-set to 0.810%. Admix results below that value will not be considered.


Kit Number:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.21
2 North_Sea 16.88
3 West_Asian 11.98
4 East_Med 11.66
5 West_Med 11.33
6 Baltic 11.32
7 Eastern_Euro 6.94
8 Red_Sea 4.54
9 Siberian 1.14


--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 10.686
2 Serbian @ 10.878
3 Bulgarian @ 12.278
4 Austrian @ 13.253
5 North_Italian @ 13.404
6 Tuscan @ 14.955
7 French @ 15.583
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.145
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.416
10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.438
165 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Tuscan @ 6.529
2 50% German +50% Greek @ 7.224
3 50% Bulgarian +50% French @ 7.494
4 50% Austrian +50% North_Italian @ 7.755
5 50% Greek +50% Irish @ 7.781
6 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.795
7 50% Greek +50% Southeast_English @ 7.853
8 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.921
9 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.955
10 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.991
13695 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.054
2 50% Austrian +25% Armenian +25% French_Basque @ 4.138
3 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Aragon +25% Turkish @ 4.203
4 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Turkish @ 4.435
5 50% Austrian +25% Assyrian +25% French_Basque @ 4.442
6 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Turkish @ 4.537
7 50% Hungarian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.556
8 50% Austrian +25% Southwest_French +25% Turkish @ 4.572
9 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Kurdish @ 4.643
10 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Turkish @ 4.704
543136 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 3.786
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Turkish @ 3.925
3 Armenian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.958
4 Austrian + German + Spanish_Aragon + Turkish @ 3.978
5 Assyrian + French_Basque + German + Polish @ 3.985
6 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.034
7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + German @ 4.050
8 Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Turkish @ 4.054
9 Austrian + German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 4.062
10 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.066
11 Assyrian + French_Basque + Irish + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.078
12 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Swedish + Turkish @ 4.109
13 Assyrian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 4.109
14 French_Basque + Romanian + Southwest_Finnish + Turkish @ 4.119
15 Austrian + German + Southwest_French + Turkish @ 4.138
16 Armenian + Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque @ 4.138
17 French_Basque + German + Romanian + Turkish @ 4.152
18 Assyrian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.164
19 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.175
20 Armenian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.191

1722682 iterations.

Done.

Elapsed time 1.4100 seconds.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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I suggest looking at:
JewishGen-ealogy By Genetics

There are DNA discussion groups to join, and scientific papers to read.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:01 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PILMAN View Post
I did one of those DNA tests recently and I guess they claim my mtdna is h1 which my mother is German and French, my dad is j1c3 which traces to the Middle East. My dad was Jewish and didn't have a European sounding lasting name, it actually was a Jewish name.

Anyways they all immigrated from Romania and I think some parts of what used to be Russia, most of my family looks like they came from Greece or Portugal or something and here's the results I got. Not really sure how this would be considered Jewish DNA since all my results look European to me, maybe j1c3 spread into Europe when Romania was part of the Ottoman Empire or something.

Gedmatch.Com

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Revised: Dec 6, 2012

15 components mode.
Component threshold auto-set to 0.810%. Admix results below that value will not be considered.


Kit Number:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.21
2 North_Sea 16.88
3 West_Asian 11.98
4 East_Med 11.66
5 West_Med 11.33
6 Baltic 11.32
7 Eastern_Euro 6.94
8 Red_Sea 4.54
9 Siberian 1.14


--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 10.686
2 Serbian @ 10.878
3 Bulgarian @ 12.278
4 Austrian @ 13.253
5 North_Italian @ 13.404
6 Tuscan @ 14.955
7 French @ 15.583
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.145
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.416
10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.438
165 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Tuscan @ 6.529
2 50% German +50% Greek @ 7.224
3 50% Bulgarian +50% French @ 7.494
4 50% Austrian +50% North_Italian @ 7.755
5 50% Greek +50% Irish @ 7.781
6 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.795
7 50% Greek +50% Southeast_English @ 7.853
8 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.921
9 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.955
10 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.991
13695 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.054
2 50% Austrian +25% Armenian +25% French_Basque @ 4.138
3 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Aragon +25% Turkish @ 4.203
4 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Turkish @ 4.435
5 50% Austrian +25% Assyrian +25% French_Basque @ 4.442
6 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Turkish @ 4.537
7 50% Hungarian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.556
8 50% Austrian +25% Southwest_French +25% Turkish @ 4.572
9 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Kurdish @ 4.643
10 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Turkish @ 4.704
543136 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 3.786
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Turkish @ 3.925
3 Armenian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.958
4 Austrian + German + Spanish_Aragon + Turkish @ 3.978
5 Assyrian + French_Basque + German + Polish @ 3.985
6 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.034
7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + German @ 4.050
8 Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Turkish @ 4.054
9 Austrian + German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 4.062
10 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.066
11 Assyrian + French_Basque + Irish + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.078
12 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Swedish + Turkish @ 4.109
13 Assyrian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 4.109
14 French_Basque + Romanian + Southwest_Finnish + Turkish @ 4.119
15 Austrian + German + Southwest_French + Turkish @ 4.138
16 Armenian + Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque @ 4.138
17 French_Basque + German + Romanian + Turkish @ 4.152
18 Assyrian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.164
19 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.175
20 Armenian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.191

1722682 iterations.

Done.

Elapsed time 1.4100 seconds.
You are most likely of Sephardic Jewish descent! What are your parents and grandparents backgrounds that you know of?

And were these test DNA genetic results from 23andme?

Supposedly there are genetic markers that detect Jewish ancestry and genetics such as the Cohanim or Cohen sequence etc or something like that.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PILMAN View Post
I did one of those DNA tests recently and I guess they claim my mtdna is h1 which my mother is German and French, my dad is j1c3 which traces to the Middle East. My dad was Jewish and didn't have a European sounding lasting name, it actually was a Jewish name.

Anyways they all immigrated from Romania and I think some parts of what used to be Russia, most of my family looks like they came from Greece or Portugal or something and here's the results I got. Not really sure how this would be considered Jewish DNA since all my results look European to me, maybe j1c3 spread into Europe when Romania was part of the Ottoman Empire or something.

Gedmatch.Com

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Revised: Dec 6, 2012

15 components mode.
Component threshold auto-set to 0.810%. Admix results below that value will not be considered.


Kit Number:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.21
2 North_Sea 16.88
3 West_Asian 11.98
4 East_Med 11.66
5 West_Med 11.33
6 Baltic 11.32
7 Eastern_Euro 6.94
8 Red_Sea 4.54
9 Siberian 1.14


--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 10.686
2 Serbian @ 10.878
3 Bulgarian @ 12.278
4 Austrian @ 13.253
5 North_Italian @ 13.404
6 Tuscan @ 14.955
7 French @ 15.583
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.145
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.416
10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.438
165 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Tuscan @ 6.529
2 50% German +50% Greek @ 7.224
3 50% Bulgarian +50% French @ 7.494
4 50% Austrian +50% North_Italian @ 7.755
5 50% Greek +50% Irish @ 7.781
6 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.795
7 50% Greek +50% Southeast_English @ 7.853
8 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.921
9 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.955
10 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.991
13695 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.054
2 50% Austrian +25% Armenian +25% French_Basque @ 4.138
3 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Aragon +25% Turkish @ 4.203
4 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Turkish @ 4.435
5 50% Austrian +25% Assyrian +25% French_Basque @ 4.442
6 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Turkish @ 4.537
7 50% Hungarian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.556
8 50% Austrian +25% Southwest_French +25% Turkish @ 4.572
9 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Kurdish @ 4.643
10 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Turkish @ 4.704
543136 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 3.786
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Turkish @ 3.925
3 Armenian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.958
4 Austrian + German + Spanish_Aragon + Turkish @ 3.978
5 Assyrian + French_Basque + German + Polish @ 3.985
6 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.034
7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + German @ 4.050
8 Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Turkish @ 4.054
9 Austrian + German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 4.062
10 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.066
11 Assyrian + French_Basque + Irish + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.078
12 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Swedish + Turkish @ 4.109
13 Assyrian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 4.109
14 French_Basque + Romanian + Southwest_Finnish + Turkish @ 4.119
15 Austrian + German + Southwest_French + Turkish @ 4.138
16 Armenian + Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque @ 4.138
17 French_Basque + German + Romanian + Turkish @ 4.152
18 Assyrian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.164
19 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.175
20 Armenian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.191

1722682 iterations.

Done.

Elapsed time 1.4100 seconds.
What exactly do you define as a European or European sounding name or last name?
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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You are most likely of Sephardic Jewish descent! What are your parents and grandparents backgrounds that you know of?

And were these test DNA genetic results from 23andme?

Supposedly there are genetic markers that detect Jewish ancestry and genetics such as the Cohanim or Cohen sequence etc or something like that
.
Yes, this is true.

NOVA Online | Lost Tribes of Israel | Tracing the Cohanim

As well, Ashkenazic ancestry is detectable, and Sephardic is, to a lesser extent. I found both in my background.
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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What exactly do you define as a European or European sounding name or last name?
Well, you can tell which names are not European.

But names like Lee or Wing or Kim can be Asian and European at the same time.
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Old 11-09-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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I find all of this stuff a little confusing but very exciting!
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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my last name is cohen which is a jewish name
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Old 10-01-2014, 02:09 AM
 
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There is no Jewish gene. There is the Cohen Gene. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is found among many Jewish populations of the world, including Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Bene Israel of India.

The Cohen Modal Haplotype, which belongs to haplogroup J, was a component of the ancient Israelite population, and especially common among the Cohens (priests of the Temple in Jerusalem).

The Cohen Modal Haplotype is not exclusively found among Jews, but rather is also found among Kurds, Armenians, Italians, Palestinians, Arabs, and a few other peoples.

About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism.

Last edited by SobreTodo; 10-01-2014 at 02:27 AM..
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Old 10-01-2014, 01:04 PM
 
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my last name is cohen which is a jewish name
Last names didn't exist a few hundred years ago. Looking at the percentages you posted, you're probably Jewish by conversion and not by lineage.

I took the 111 marker test and around 98% was from the Levant. I knew by lineage I was Mizrahi before the test even though I look Northern Italian (I guess that 2% is dominant for me).
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