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Old 10-30-2013, 10:03 AM
 
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The people who run don't get it. Your mother was; your father was not. How much difficulty your parents had would depend many upon different factors. And yes there are religious snobs too.


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Lol, everyone related to me on 23andme seems to run as fast as they can from me when I tell them that I am only half Jewish. They get snobby REAL fast. Now I can see the hell that my parents must have gone through.

 
Old 10-30-2013, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Mesa, AZ
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White people have been told for so long that we have to be ashamed of our heritage because of how White cultures have treated Non-White cultures in the past. Never mind that White cultures have also treated other White cultures appallingly (for example, the way the British treated the Irish), and that Non-White cultures have treated each other appallingly as well (like the way African tribesmen sold their fellow Africans into slavery). For some reason, all White people for all time need to be censured and punished for the sins of our forefathers. If we celebrate our culture, we're racist. Black History Month is ok but you will never, ever see White History Month. How many college scholarships are available on the basis of being Not White? How many are available on the basis of being White? How large of a riot would it start if there was one? Because treating someone better than someone else based on their race is socially acceptable as long as the White people get the shaft. That's why nobody wants to be White, at least in my opinion.
 
Old 10-30-2013, 11:11 AM
 
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White people have been told for so long that we have to be ashamed of our heritage because of how White cultures have treated Non-White cultures in the past. Never mind that White cultures have also treated other White cultures appallingly (for example, the way the British treated the Irish), and that Non-White cultures have treated each other appallingly as well (like the way African tribesmen sold their fellow Africans into slavery). For some reason, all White people for all time need to be censured and punished for the sins of our forefathers. If we celebrate our culture, we're racist. Black History Month is ok but you will never, ever see White History Month. How many college scholarships are available on the basis of being Not White? How many are available on the basis of being White? How large of a riot would it start if there was one? Because treating someone better than someone else based on their race is socially acceptable as long as the White people get the shaft. That's why nobody wants to be White, at least in my opinion.
Not trying to offend or make fun, but every month is white history month lol
 
Old 10-30-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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Not trying to offend or make fun, but every month is white history month lol
I don't mean to be argumentative, but really? There are TV specials and school projects about how much White people have contributed to society? I don't have cable these days, but I never got those channels.
 
Old 10-30-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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Default Look at history and DNA

The first slave in the place that would become the U.S.A. was kidnapped from Africa, and delivered in a Dutch ship. It was his village 'recipe' that averted a disease that could have decimated the colonies. America was a buyer and a common stop on the Dutch slave trader route. There were many slaves in the thirteen colonies before the Civil War began. Slaves were personal property to use as the Master pleased. Slaves were not considered human. Therefore one could buy, sell, rape, beat, brand like cattle, kill, or treat their slaves well. The slaves worked on northern farms, or southern tobacco and cotton plantations.

In addition to the British prisoners sent to finish their sentence, and their indentured who were sent to America, there was a third group. Composed mostly of miners, silversmiths, and assayers they came to Virginia in 1713 and 1717 from Germany to work the Old Dominion silver mines. At the end of 7/8 years they were released. Some stayed and some didn't.

There are two pieces of information from this area worth mentioning. The history of the Germana Colonies in Virginia, and the Culpepper Classes.
The latter is the only known list of RW soldiers from Culpepper.and is only available for purchase from the author John Blankenbaker.
Beyond Germanna, A Newsletter-Journal

Between the arrival of the first ancient tribe that crossed the Beringa Bridge into what is today called Alaska, and the Indian Removal Act signed by President Jackson, many treaties are found between Native tribes and governments. Our Native tribes, First Nation and Native American, represents centuries of history that is older and far more important than the first white man known to set foot on the North American continent.
First People of America and Canada - Native American Indians. Turtle Island. Legends, Treaties, Clipart.

Lastly is the pre 16th Century Lost Colony of Roanoke.
Lost Colony Research Group

As to DNA -- there is much to suggest the human race as we know it today is descended from the early humanoid in Africa that was discovered long before humans were found in the Middle East. To give you an idea of what part of the the United States looked like three-hundred-million-years ago consider this. The state of Illinois (pre-second teutonic spllt when the Great Lakes were formed) was sub-tropical. Evidence of ferns, cockroach wings, animals and a large body of water the size of the Mississippi River, were found before the bird evolved deep in shuttered mines near Danville, Illinois in the last five years. .

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The Africans purchased in 1619 were bought under indenture. They survived and were freed. Likely one of them, a man named Anthony Johnson, was later a rather wealthy planter and the mixed escape of black and white labor and the example made by his request of the black escapee is one of the legal cornerstones of slavery. Until the cost of a slave was worth it, partly because of improvements in ships which made them cheaper, and partly because indentured labor lived longer and had to be freed, the slave trade was blossoming but largely bypassed the American colonies due to disinterest by the potential customers.
 
Old 10-30-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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I don't mean to be argumentative, but really? There are TV specials and school projects about how much White people have contributed to society? I don't have cable these days, but I never got those channels.
The western world is white. I just don't see how we could need a white history month. I don't know how to say this without sounding bad, but whites rule the western world. Every history class I ever took in schools the books were filled with white people other than the chapters on slavery.
 
Old 10-30-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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Anyone know why it's so out of style to be of full European descent?
well, in the context of geneaology and genetics, it isn't very specific to be of "European" ancestry. because it is so vague, it is boring, and therefore 'out of style'.

furthermore, people have greater information nowadays about both their individual origins, and the origins of the groups they're descended from.

in a large, multicultural country of immigrants like America, people are bound to seek out more complex explanations for their ancestry than simply, "I'm American" or "I'm white."

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Old 10-30-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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I don't mean to be argumentative, but really? There are TV specials and school projects about how much White people have contributed to society? I don't have cable these days, but I never got those channels.
You're kidding me, right? Everything that we have been taught about American and world history has white people at the forefront. Only in recent years has there been an effort to make things more balanced.
 
Old 10-30-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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That's great, War Beagle!

Question - would you have been unpleasantly surprised if you'd found out you had SubSaharan African or some other dark skinned minority in your ancestry? Or would you have been just as pleased as you are now?
I would have been surprised, but finding that out wouldn't have changed my perception of myself. IIRC, .1% was "unassigned" so there is a chance that could be Sub-Saharan.

Anyway, I suspect my lack of genetic diversity is largely the result of both sides of my family coming to the US relatively late. I would surmise that the longer peoples' families have been in the US, the more likely they will have greater genetic diversity due to subsequent waves of immigration.
 
Old 10-30-2013, 03:27 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I don't mean to be argumentative, but really? There are TV specials and school projects about how much White people have contributed to society? I don't have cable these days, but I never got those channels.
Yes, there are. They may not be advertised as "white history" specials and projects but when the vast majority of history tv shows and school projects already center mostly on white people, it does make all months white history months by default. You don't need cable to understand that kind of basic logic.

I am white and I am not ashamed of my heritage. Far from it, I run a blog about it! European heritages are celebrated with national observances all the time - there's German-American Day, Saint Patrick's Day, Lief Erikson Day, Italian-American Heritage Month, Irish-American Heritage Month, etc. Even Thanksgiving could be considered a pilgrim remembrance day - in fact, Thanksgiving as a harvest festival was (and still is in some parts) practiced in Europe. It was not celebrated the way we do now but it was a day to give thanks to the Lord for a good harvest to get people through the winter: Erntedankfest: Thanksgiving in Germany

Your profile says that you are a woman so I'm curious, do you feel the same way about Women's History Month as you do about Black History Month?
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