Is there a Celtic and Iberian Peninsula ( spanish/portugal) connection? (American, eyes)

[RaleighLass]

Originally Posted by ozarknation

my Y-DNA is Irish : R1b1b2a1a2f*
but my grandparents are Italians
this is totally weird.

Hi Ozark - I'm sorry, I don't understand the Ri.... are you saying this is typical Irish DNA? but you have no known Irish relatives?

[ozarknation]

Originally Posted by RaleighLass

Hi Ozark - I'm sorry, I don't understand the Ri.... are you saying this is typical Irish DNA? but you have no known Irish relatives?

Yes. As far as I know we are italians/spaniards.

[tassity22]

I have documented ancestors who came from Ireland with Irish surnames. I have no Irish DNA, but showed Iberian and Scandinavian instead. I guess a lot of those people migrated to Ireland and perhaps married other people with a similar genetic background. My Dad's mother looked kind of Latin but there are not Spanish names in my ancestry, except for one, Oliver.

[Sarahsez]

Could the Spaniards in Ireland possibly be explained by the Spanish Armada ships blown off course?

[MrRational]

Count me in.
32% British/Irish and 29% Iberian
M: H1. P: R-L48 (R1b1a...)

[tangelag]

Maybe Astures, Hispano-Celtics?

[Alandros]

Just want to point out that having Iberian or Irish come up in your DNA doesn't mean you had a lot of ancestry directly out of either place. It just means those portions of your DNA look like modern day populations from those regions. Remember all of Europe is a stirring pot of DNA and has been intermixed with a large variety of migrations over time. Anyone from Europe should expect to see Iberian and wouldn't be surprising seeing DNA that "looks" like Irish.

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by Katiethegreat

Yes I know it's only through the y-DNA but it's still a link.
Last I read there was a link to the Ukraine.

It's not a link though. All R1b came from the Steppes and there is no direct link with Spain. It's not like Spanish R1b came to Ireland. The earliest R1b in Ireland is Rathlin who are L21 but they are most similar to German Bell Beaker.

Rathlin DNA Heat Map.



This is not entirely accurate but gives an idea of how R1b split up. The split with P312 most likely occurred at the start of the Rhine estuary.

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by Sarahsez

Could the Spaniards in Ireland possibly be explained by the Spanish Armada ships blown off course?

There is no special link between Spanish and Ireland. This is what I've been explaining. The Irish don't show a link with Spain. People are trying to attribute their Iberian and saying it might be because of Irish ancestry. I'm explaining this is not likely. There are many more European populations that have much higher Iberian percentages. Not sure why people are hung up on an imaginary link? If people have French, German, Italian ancestry these populations get a much higher Iberian percentage. Even English people will get a higher percentage of Iberian.

Even getting something like Iberian doesn't necessarily mean direct ancestors from there just like getting Ireland in their AC doesn't necessarily mean an Irish ancestor especially in smaller amounts.

If someone looks at Ancestry this is what they say about Ireland.

Ireland
Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland

Also found in: France, England

Iberian Peninsula
Primarily located in: Spain, Portugal

Also found in: France, Morocco, Algeria, Italy

Regarding the Spanish Armada even people that survived would not have had any impact on the Irish gene pool. The fact of the matter is that there was not much chance of any survivors mixing with the Irish because the majority were killed either in shipwrecks or killed when they landed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada_in_Ireland

Sorry to be a bit of a wet blanket but it is better to have the correct facts.

The plain facts are that most populations are similar to their neighbours and cluster geographically. They are not likely to have much interactions in the past with more distant populations. The Irish have similar origins to their neighbours and in fact appear to have retained a bit more ancient links to older populations due to being a bit more difficult to reach e.g an island off another island. The Irish coast is notorious for their stormy seas as the Armada episode illustrates. Even those ancient links don't appear to be with Spain but point to a more likely Central European origin with people with quite a high Steppe component to their genetics. Irish are in fact a bit more Steppe shifted than their English neighbours and they are more similar to the Scots in all genetic studies. Even the upcoming Irish DNA Atlas shows this.

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by ozarknation

my Y-DNA is Irish : R1b1b2a1a2f*
but my grandparents are Italians
this is totally weird.

It's not really weird and no L21 (R1b1b2a1a2f*) is not Irish. It is very high in France for example. To really know if you had likely Irish ancestry you would have to test much further down the L21 branch. All the more Irish subclades are quite far down the L21 tree. See the map I posted above which explains how broad some of these categories are. L21 is just more common in Ireland and Britain but also Northern France but it didn't originate from there.

All the R1b branches are likely to be Bell Beaker especially the ones under S21. I could go into more detail but this should be enough for people if they want to research the topic more.

Your autosomal dna is much more likely to show you what populations you are closest to. Post your Eurogenes K13 or K15 and that will be more indicative of your ancestry.