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Paying to join and providing MORE information is a different story. AND then Ancestry.com sells that information that you the joiner have just provided.
Show me the proof that they do.
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But please don't offer "free" one day joining to veterans in order to verify name and other data - only to be sold to other web sites - unknown web sites.
Support the veterans. But don't ruse the veterans into something "free" only to sell that new obtained verified information and possibly more information.
Why doesn't Ancestry.com donate some money to a veterans service organization or a state veterans home? Huh?
Yes, the "free" veterans one day is a ruse. A cheap shot to veterans.
The free access was for EVERYONE, not veterans. My God, you are so hugely ill-informed it's laughable. It was free access to veteran records, PUBLIC records, for anyone. Get it? Anyone could access veteran records for free, not that veterans could access Ancestry.com for free. Maybe you should step off your soapbox and read things more carefully.
With a free account, all you provide them with is a name and email address. Even IF they sell that information, is that really enough to get your panties in a twist over?
Some here just can't comprehend what data mining is.
Some believe that Ancestry.com is some sort of not for profit non-profit institution providing a social service to society.
You may continue to believe that. And God Bless you.
No one is claiming Ancestry.com is non-profit! More than one of us has blatantly admitted that of course they are making a profit. But there is nothing illegal or unethical about the way they are going about making their money. There is NO proof or even any evidence that Ancestry.com is illegally data mining, or selling data. You clearly misunderstood the Veterans day offer and you think we're the ones who can't comprehend what is going on?
Of course, there is the definition of sharing. But really. It's for money. This is a for profit company.
Just making a buck out of veterans. Even if it is "free" for one day.
Yeah, I'm sure there's millions to be made off the records of my one grandfather who died in 1959 and my other grandfather who died in 1968, not to mention my grandmothers who died in 1952 and 1957.
No one is claiming Ancestry.com is non-profit! More than one of us has blatantly admitted that of course they are making a profit. But there is nothing illegal or unethical about the way they are going about making their money. There is NO proof or even any evidence that Ancestry.com is illegally data mining, or selling data. You clearly misunderstood the Veterans day offer and you think we're the ones who can't comprehend what is going on?
We need to go easier on unit731. He's just waiting for the Black Friday specials on tin foil hats. They'll have to be in-store though, because he won't provide any info online.
Yeah, I'm sure there's millions to be made off the records of my one grandfather who died in 1959 and my other grandfather who died in 1968, not to mention my grandmothers who died in 1952 and 1957.
You just don't get it. They are making money off the information YOU give them.
By joining YOU have provided a valid email address, a valid name, and probably more information to them
YOUR personal information which they sell to legitimate companies and not legitimate companies.
YOU pay to provide this information. They then sell this information YOU just paid them and GAVE them.
How much clearer can this be made?
We need to go easier on unit731. He's just waiting for the Black Friday specials on tin foil hats. They'll have to be in-store though, because he won't provide any info online.
See the response above. That should clear things up.
And yes, I have a metal roof on my home. So that all of the "microwaves" bounce off.
You just don't get it. They are making money off the information YOU give them. By joining YOU have provided a valid email address, a valid name, and probably more information to them
YOUR personal information which they sell to legitimate companies and not legitimate companies.
YOU pay to provide this information. They then sell this information YOU just paid them and GAVE them.
How much clearer can this be made?
And where is the proof that they sell this info? You do realize millions of online, and non-online companies require the same information if you sign up? Why pick on Ancestry.com? Unless you live off the grid, which you clearly don't because you're using the internet, there are always going to be companies with this information. Not sure why you think Ancestry.com is so much worse than others.
And where is the proof that they sell this info? You do realize millions of online, and non-online companies require the same information if you sign up? Why pick on Ancestry.com? Unless you live off the grid, which you clearly don't because you're using the internet, there are always going to be companies with this information. Not sure why you think Ancestry.com is so much worse than others.
You must have missed Post Number 13.
And maybe read the other posts. It is quite clear that this site is different.
Thank you.
You must have missed Post Number 13.
And maybe read the other posts. It is quite clear that this site is different.
Thank you.
Nope, that still doesn't prove it. Once again you are misunderstanding. The clipped portion of the Privacy Statement which you sort of took out of context is about sharing information within their own website, and partner websites or other websites they own like Newspapers.com, it's not about selling information to other, unrelated companies. Nowhere does it say that. Sharing is not selling. Given your massive misunderstanding about the Veterans Day offer, maybe you should consider that you're also misunderstanding this.
In fact, the Privacy Statement very clearly says:
"Ancestry will not disclose any personal information to third parties except in very limited circumstances which are set out below. Before Ancestry begins to transfer personal information to any third party acting as our agent, we will confirm that they have adopted, are subject to, or are contractually obligated to comply with the principles and objectives of this Privacy Statement."
Basically, the exceptions are when:
1. they are legally required to disclose your info, in the case of a court order and such
2. Again "group companies", ie, their partners, or companies they own or may acquire
3. Necessary "third parties", such as the company they use to process your billing.
Again, terminology is always "sharing" or "disclosing" - never "selling". Get a dictionary and learn the difference.
The only mention of selling in their entire Privacy Statement is the following:
"v) To distribute advertisements: Ancestry strives to show you relevant advertisements. To that end, we use the information you provide to us, aggregated demographic information (such as women between the ages of 45-60), anonymized data compared to data from third parties, or the placement of cookies and other tracking technologies (as discussed in more detail below). In these ways, Ancestry can display relevant ads to appropriate users either on our Websites, other Ancestry Community sites, or on third party websites. We do not provide advertisers with access to your individual account information. Ancestry does not sell, rent or otherwise distribute the personal information you provide us to these advertisers unless you have given us your consent to do so."
This is actually making it clear they will NOT sell or distribute your personal information to advertisers.
And:
"ii) To Group Companies: We may share personal information with our Group Companies so that they may use personal information for the purposes described in this Privacy Statement, to provide the additional services of those Group Companies, and for the purposes of connecting you to Users of the other websites operated by the Group Companies. Ancestry is responsible for the management of the jointly-used personal information. The Group Companies are subject to similar privacy statements. Additionally, as our business continues to grow and change, we might restructure, buy, or sell subsidiaries or business units. In these transactions, customer information is often one of the transferred assets, remaining subject to promises made in then prevailing privacy statements. Also, in the event that Ancestry, or substantially all of its assets or stock are acquired, transferred, disposed of (in whole or part and including in connection with any bankruptcy or similar proceedings), personal information will as a matter of course be one of the transferred assets."
This is just the mention of the fact that they might sell off parts of their business.
So, as you can see when you are not selectively reading and taking things out of context, the Privacy Statement directly contradicts your paranoid, delusional claims. Their Privacy Statement is NO different than any other company.
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My God, you are so hugely ill-informed it's laughable. It was free access to veteran records, PUBLIC records, for anyone. Get it? Anyone could access veteran records for free, not that veterans could access Ancestry.com for free. Maybe you should step off your soapbox and read things more carefully.
