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Old 02-21-2017, 09:13 PM
 
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So here's my latest genealogical puzzle, if anyone has a moment would love to leverage the additional expertise and thoughts of those here.

I'm fairly confident my ancestry leads up to a Matthew Andrews m. Susan Jones in Greene County, Georgia. He was likely a son of an Adam Andrews m. Polly Brooks. I've been trying to trace the family to confirm relationships and see if I can find the parents of Andrew Andrews and Polly Brooks. Fortunately a good deal of probate records survive, though they don't answer all questions. Matthew Andrews died around 1852 and his father Adam Andrews died between January and July of 1870. What has thrown me for a loop and I'm trying to verify or not is there's a 1870 Mortality schedule entry for an Adam Andrews how died in April 1870 age 92... That age matches perfectly and the death month is right in the middle of the 5-6 month period I know he died in... What's interesting is his race is listed as "B" for Black.

I'm basically trying to answer three questions:
1) Is that Adam Andrews Mortality entry the same as my ancestor and is he correctly listed as Black (or mixed race)
2) Is Adam Andrews the father of Matthew Andrews
3) Who are the parents of Polly Brooks

If you have ancestry here is the link to Matthew Andrews in my tree:
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So starting with

1) Is that Adam Andrews Mortality entry the same as my ancestor and is he correctly listed as Black (or mixed race)

So here’s the 1870 Mortality Schedule

1870 Mortality Schedule.jpg

The relevant info is an entry for

Adam Andrews age 92, Male, Black, Widow, born in Virginia, died in April, died of Old Age

There seems to be a smudge or something blocking the family number associated with him (referencing the Schedule 1, the base 1870 census). There seems to be three numbers and reference other numbers hand writing style it looks to be ?53. The first number has some sort of curve on the top right so probably 2, 3, 8, or 9.

At first I thought it was an ?83, though down a few entries down at number 23 you can see a 35 and those seem to match the letter styles perfectly.

So I looked and found an Andrews surnamed family with family number 353 listed as follows, all born in Georgia

1870 Census Lucinda Andrews.jpg

Lucinda Andrews 29, Female, Black, Farm Laborer
William … 8, Male, Black
Dora … 6, Female, Black
Vincent … 3, Male, Black


No known info connects this family to my Andrews family. Likely these were freed slaves after the Civil War (the people old enough).

So that doesn’t really point to my Adam Andrews (though that family could somehow be connected to mine).

So with that said here’s the trail of my Adam Andrews. He’s listed as Adam Andrews in the 1820 and 1830 Greene County Census and then A Andrews in 1840. Then in the 1850 Census:

1850 Census Adam Andrews.jpg

Adam Andrews 71, Male, Farmer, born in N.C.
Rosena … 30, Female, born in Georgia
Mary … 29, Female, …
Sarah …, 4, Female, …

Below his household is listed another but younger Adam Andrews, highly likely to be a son.


In 1859 there’s a will entry for Adam Andrews where ho only mentions two of his daughters, a Rosana and Mary Andrews. My ancestor Matthew would be dead by now, though I believe he at least had a surviving son Adam Andrews Jr. at this time.

1859 Adam Andrews Will.jpg

1860 Census is where things get a bit interesting:

1860 Census Adam Andrews.jpg

Wm P Jackson 45, Male, Farmer, Georgia
Jn(sp?) Underwood 40, Male, ???, …
The next entry has an odd marker on the left side, then it lists Wm P Jackson, maybe three letters (maybe Jnr?) and the ‘’ ditto marks for age and sex
Then it lists Adam Andrews with a squigly line connecting his entry to the next entry… 82, Male, no birth state listed, no value for real estate or personal estate
The next entry (with the squigly line connected to Adam Andrews has another odd marker on the left side as well… Wm D Jackson Guardn, guessing Guardian, NC, no age listed, a value for real estate but not personal estate

The next page only two households away is listed Rosanna, Mary, and Sallie Andrews.

So this seems to suggest William D Jackson was the guardian of Adam Andrews? Maybe vice verse, though I suspect the former, mostly because the next record:

1868 Littleton D Caldwell is made guardian of Adam Andrews Sr. (Adam Andrews Jr. is mentioned as security for the bond). It describes Adam Andrews as imbecile from old age.

1868 Adam Andrews Guardian LD Caldwell.jpg


Then in 1870 Adam Andrews daughter Rosana Andrews is made his Guardian in January of 1870.

In July of 1870 Adam Andrews will is probated by his daughter (and guardian Rosana).

So the timeline seems to be

1859 Adam Andrews records his will at the age of 81
1860 he seems to have William D Jackson as his guardian, I have yet to find probate records for that, though of interest when Matthew Shipman died in 1852 William D Jackson was made guardian of his children (despite Susan his wife being still alive, got to love old school rules against women), there are many pages of surviving probate records for William D Jackson dispersing funds to Matthew Shipman’s heirs, something like 50+ pages. It seems later he was made Matthew’s father’s guardian also. Curious who he was since he must have been close to the Andrews family to be so trusted.
1868 Littleton D Caldwell is made his guardian
1870 Jan his daughter Rosana Andrews is made his guardian
1870 July he is dead by now

So he died somewhere between 1870 Jan and July.

This is where that mortality record really starts to look like him… that Adam Andrews was 92 by 1870, in the 1860 census my Adam is listed as 82, a perfect match. Also the Mortality schedule said that Adam died in April of 1870, that matches right in the 6 month period my Adam Andrews died. The mortality Adam is listed as a widow like mine (though considering he was 92 not surprising).

How likely is it that there are two Adam Andrews who were the same age and died within the same 6 month period, surviving to the old age of 92 as well.

The only three things that don’t match…

1. Birth state, the only reference for my Adam’s birth state is the 1850 census where it says NC, the Mortality Adam lists VA. These are bordering states and often confused so not very conclusive either way.

2. Family number on mortality record looks to be ?53, which best matches the 353 Lucinda Andrews Black family, no known connection to mine. My Adam’s daughter Rosena was family number 984 (why at first I thought it might have been 983 and just been one off).

3. Race… Mortality Adam is listed as Black and there’s not much other to suggest my Adam was anything but white. The 1850 and 1860 census he is last on are useless in this regard since they don’t list race, though in the 1820-1840 census he and his family are listed as white.

The only interesting things I’ve found in this regard are two things:

3a) His daughter Rosena Andrews is listed in the 1870 census as “W” for white, though it looks like another letter was listed first and the W was written over it. Could just be a mistake, though maybe she was mixed race and it was altered after the initial entry (have seen this before on mix raced people)?

1870 Census Rosanna Andrews.jpg

3b) The only other hint at any Andrews being anything but white is in the 1840 census for Greene County Georgia. There are only three Andrews listed:

A Andrews pg 28
M Andrews pg 26
W Andrews pg 22

A is Adam, M is Matthew his son, W seems to be a Warren Andrews who married an America Darden. W Andrews has the second oldest male in the household listed under “Free Colored Persons - Males - 24 thru 35:”. Interestingly there’s also a “Slaves - Females - 10 thru 23: 1” as well.

Looking at the image it seems there is indeed a mark for a free colored person.

I’m unsure on any relation of Warren to my Andrews, though in later census records he lists his birth state as NC like Adam does.


So this is where I sit with this question. Curious if this Adam Andrews is the same as mine or not? The only other thing I’ve looked at was the 1860 Slave Census, and no Andrews had a Slave that was close to 80 or older in that. Of course another person could have owned a slave that took the name Andrews. There was an L L Andrews that owned many slaves in 1860, unsure on who he is and if he relates at all to my Andrews family.

In the 1850 Slave Census Matthew Andrews owned one Female slave aged 20. Also Rohow and William probable sons of Adam owned a female slave each, one 8 and another 7. It seems possible Lucinda could be one of the later two, in the 1860 slave schedule William still owns the same slave who is now 18 (Lucinda was 29 by 1870 so could fit).

I’ll stop here since this went a bit further than expected and separate the other things I’m researching into other posts, this turned a bit longer than expected. Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.
Excuse the stupid question, but I'm posting with a phone & don't have a ton of data. Is Greene County in proximity to Wrightsborough, the defunct Quaker community south of Augusta?

There is a Brooks family in East Tennessee. Prior to statehood, East Tennessee was part of North Carolina. That could explain the Virginia /North Carolina discrepancy.

Have you looked at Revolutionary War pension applications for Andrews?
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Old 02-21-2017, 10:32 PM
 
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Excuse the stupid question, but I'm posting with a phone & don't have a ton of data. Is Greene County in proximity to Wrightsborough, the defunct Quaker community south of Augusta?

There is a Brooks family in East Tennessee. Prior to statehood, East Tennessee was part of North Carolina. That could explain the Virginia /North Carolina discrepancy.

Have you looked at Revolutionary War pension applications for Andrews?
http://freepages.religions.rootsweb....or/Wrights.pdf

Wrightsborough | New Georgia Encyclopedia

Modern day Greene County is close but not contiguous with McDuffie County, where Wrightsboro is. McDuffie was not created until 1870, though. Prior to that it was in Columbia County.

You can look here at the change in Georgia counties by year:

State and County Maps of Georgia
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Old 02-22-2017, 01:42 AM
 
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I'll add that via DNA I've been able to find likely parentage for my Polly Brooks m. Adam Andrews. Likely either a William Wilson Brooks .m Mary Gilliam, or at least a shared ancestry.

I've found a record that shows my ancestor, son of Adam Andrews, as Matthew Wilson Andrews. This would also explain that middle name. Willam Wilson and Mary Brooks were in Greene County, GA pretty early on and he died there in 1825 with multiple children found sticking around in the area. I found a segment shared between an Andrews cousin of mine that matches at least one descendant of William Wilson Brooks (I believe multiple others may match though still some legwork to be done).

Unfortunately I haven't found any paper evidence to support this though, yet.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:27 AM
 
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http://freepages.religions.rootsweb....or/Wrights.pdf

Wrightsborough | New Georgia Encyclopedia

Modern day Greene County is close but not contiguous with McDuffie County, where Wrightsboro is. McDuffie was not created until 1870, though. Prior to that it was in Columbia County.

You can look here at the change in Georgia counties by year:

State and County Maps of Georgia
Wrightsborough's colonial residents included nonQuakers from Virginia. The Quaker families were primarily from Pennsylvania & South Jersey who had settled in the North Carolina piedmont. They were among the people evacuated to the NC mountains/East Tennessee during the war. Some men who fought in the war brought their families back, after the war, to claim land for veterans.

I had people at Wrightsborough/Wrightsboro. One ancestor was killed during a Creek raid, along with her eldest son, during the war, in the annexed land/Wilkes County. That's about a generation earlier that the OP's people, but it might help with placing the families in Georgia. I've run into situations with some families where going back helps to find what I need to work out something with that given family.
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Old 02-22-2017, 01:28 PM
 
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Good research, but one thing to consider - given the ages, is it possible Lucinda is the wife of one of Adam's grandsons? Maybe Adam was living with them when he died. I see you've found the wives of all his sons but what about all the grandsons? Without ruling out this possibility, I wouldn't rule out this Adam being your Adam.

I don't have time to look over the rest right now but I'll look into it later.
A very good point, I'm still working down that far, might find something interesting. I don't see any marriage records in Greene Co., GA for an Andrews marrying a Lucinda. Of course considering she was listed as Black in 1870 it might not have been a legal marriage.

I'm inclined to believe that Adam Andrews is indeed the same as mine, currently I'm finding it far more likely than all the coincidences that would need to be for it to be a different one (almost the same exact age, dying within the same 6 month period, my Adam not being listed on the mortality schedule, etc).
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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So looking in

Georgia, Returns of Qualified Voters and Reconstruction Oath Books, 1867-1869

In 1867 there is an Adam Andrews oath in Greene Co., GA. Labeled as White. This likely was his son who was living there at that time.

I do so an 1867 Oath in the neighboring Hancock Co., GA for an Adam Andrews listed as Colored.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:38 PM
 
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Regarding the Brooks connection, Adam Andrews's son Rohow Andrews is living in Greene Co., GA in 1850 next door to William Wilson Brooks son of the William Wilson Brooks I mentioned.

I'm not sure what the deal with the name of his son is either... in multiple records it shows up as "Rohow" so pretty sure that's it, it shows up in a couple records shortened to "Roe". I can't seem to find any other reference to a first name or surname of "Rohow". Just creative parents?
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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So starting to look at other mortality entries listed next to that Adam Andrews, going on the thought that like many census records proximity might mean some sort of proximity in living.

Two spots below the Black Adam Andrews is a White Mary Veazey, born 1839. Family number is 988 or 888.

In 1870 Greene Co., GA here's the 988 family

William Veasey 32
Sarah Carrol 64
Francis Carrol 8


As it turns out on the same page a couple households up is

Rosanna Andrews and Mariam Andrews, two daughters of Adam Andrews (Rosanna being his final guardian assigned in Jan 1870 shortly before he died).

Also of interest, Rosanna Andrews in that census is listed as W for white, though it looks like the W was over-written, possibly a B loop at the top first. I mentioned this as 3a in my first post and posted the image, would appreciate opinions on that as well.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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It looks like Adam Andrews and then his daughters lived as neighbors to those Veaseys and Carrols for a while (at least back to the 1850 census)
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Old 02-24-2017, 02:37 PM
 
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So I was following Littleton D Caldwell. He was made guardian of Adam in 1868 after William D Jackson and before his daughter Rosanna.

Figured I'd see if I can find the connection between Littleton and Adam.

In the 1850 census Adam is living with his two unmarried daughters Rosanna and Mary (they seem to have never been married and by 1880 they are listed as servants) who are 30 and 29. There is also a 4 year old girl named Sarah Andrews. I assume this is a very late born daughter of Adam's or a granddaughter (in the 1840 census Adam's wife is still alive so it's possible it's his).

In the 1870 census (when Adam is now dead) she is listed as Sallie Andrews and is living with Rosanna and Mary. By 1880 she has married a William Henry Caldwell.

In mapping her descendants she has a grandson named Littleton D Caldwell (not born by the time Adam Andrews dies, but shows a naming pattern).

William Henry Caldwell is a son of Josiah Caldwell (born 1808) and is brother to a Littleton D Caldwell born 1831 who must be the one who was guardian of Adam.

So Littleton is Adam's daughter's (or granddaughter's) brother-in-law. Seems like there should be another connection for him to become guardian (his previous one was William D Jackson, likely his wife's nephew), though maybe they were neighbors, close, etc. Might also be another connection of course.

So working up the Caldwell ancestry a bit I find Josiah Caldwell married a Mary Tippet. Looking for Tippets I find a Susannah Tippet living nearby in 1820 and 1830 with a daughter the right age in her household. Looking at probate records for Greene Co., GA I find a John M Tippet who died in the 1810s (with a reference likely to wife Susannah) and a William Tippet who died earlier.

Seems likely John M Tippet and Susannah were her parents.

Looking through the records of William Tippet I came across a mention to Adam Andrews. I attached the image.

It looks like a receipt dated in 1810 for Adam Andrews receiving $115 from James Tippet heir of William Tippet from claims against William Tippet's estate?

Not super relevant, but shows two things.

1) Adam Andrews interacted with the Tippets. Somehow William owed Adam $115 dollars and his heir paid him. I see other records of paid debts against the estate, some referencing rulings, but no ruling for Adam's claim that I can find... so maybe not disputed.

2) Shows Adam Andrews in Greene Co., GA in 1810, the earliest record I have, previously was the 1816 land record showing someone getting land next to him.
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