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Old 01-20-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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I would say the original Britons, the Welsh, are more Celtic than the Irish. Much less Norman, Viking and Saxon blood.
It seems like a lot of Welsh people have dark hair. Not many blondes.
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Old 01-20-2017, 07:30 PM
 
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It seems like a lot of Welsh people have dark hair. Not many blondes.
The Welsh do have a lower percentage of blondes than England, but that doesn't mean there aren't many blondes:

http://orig15.deviantart.net/c2f1/f/...um-d7yjja3.png

Most of Wales is about 35-50% blonde.
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:10 PM
 
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The Welsh do have a lower percentage of blondes than England, but that doesn't mean there aren't many blondes:

http://orig15.deviantart.net/c2f1/f/...um-d7yjja3.png

Most of Wales is about 35-50% blonde.

In the country area of norway, and the finnish areas, it like 100% blond
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Old 01-21-2017, 08:13 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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In the country area of norway, and the finnish areas, it like 100% blond
No, if you read the key, it clearly says those areas are 65%+. So they could be anywhere from 65% blonde to 100% blonde. There might be some small areas that are 100% but the whole country? Not only is that extremely unlikely in general, but if there was a huge area like that which was 100% blonde, they would have added an category/color for that, but they didn't.
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Old 01-22-2017, 08:14 AM
 
Location: NJ
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It will give you regions, not specific countries. Here is my Eurogenes DNA test from Gedmatch, take a look:

SOUTH_BALTIC 5.63
EAST_EURO 10.04
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 12.98
ATLANTIC 14.15
WEST_MED 10.59
EAST_MED 7.70
WEST_ASIAN 3.44
MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.70
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.63
EAST_AFRICAN 3.73
EAST_ASIAN 5.87
SIBERIAN 13.55
WEST_AFRICAN 6.98

OP, you would test with one of the main 3, Ancestry FTDNA or 23 and me, once it's done processing, download your raw data. Make an account on GEDmatch, once there, upload the raw data. They will give you a number for each raw data you upload, each sample with number will be shown on your main page. Once it's processed on your main page you'll see the various things you can do with it. I believe the one posted was Admixture (heritage) - Select the project: Eurogenes; from there I just leave it set to defaults. There is also a hunter gatherer vs farmer one you can do. I haven't played around with it much.

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Here is mine Population
North_Atlantic 28.72
Baltic 31.94
West_Med 13.47
West_Asian 9.51
East_Med 12.28
Red_Sea 2.08
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.31
Amerindian 0.24
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.46
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:51 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Yes, I spend more time at GedMatch.com than at 23andMe
For comparison sake...here's my results as well.
My people were mostly German/Pomeranian and Irish...


Population
North_Atlantic 41.49
Baltic 31.28
West_Med 11.13
West_Asian 6.79
East_Med 7.13
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.69
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.49
(there are a variety of tests - this is Eurogenes k13)


The GEDCOM database is interesting because it provides ancestor names
for people with matching DNA so you can try to find a family match. Most of
your matches will not have a GEDCOM on file but dozens will.
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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Yes, I spend more time at GedMatch.com than at 23andMe
For comparison sake...here's my results as well.
My people were mostly German/Pomeranian and Irish...


Population
North_Atlantic 41.49
Baltic 31.28
West_Med 11.13
West_Asian 6.79
East_Med 7.13
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.69
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.49
(there are a variety of tests - this is Eurogenes k13)


The GEDCOM database is interesting because it provides ancestor names
for people with matching DNA so you can try to find a family match. Most of
your matches will not have a GEDCOM on file but dozens will.
Eurogenes K13 here:
Population:
North_Atlantic 19.97
Baltic 7.56
West_Med 17.63
West_Asian 2.81
East_Med 9.84
Red_Sea 3.16
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.84
Amerindian 26.94
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.18
Sub-Saharan 9.08
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Old 01-23-2017, 04:18 AM
 
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I would say the original Britons, the Welsh, are more Celtic than the Irish. Much less Norman, Viking and Saxon blood.
Not too sure how true that is England Dan. The Irish on dna tests tend to peak in British&Irish on 23andMe, Ireland on Ancestry and British Isles on FTDNA. As you move away from Ireland it gets a little more varied with South East English being the more varied in their Ancestry Comp.

There is a new DNA test with is very much geared to the Britain called LivingDNA which can tell you where all your ancestors are from in Britain. Some results have started to be released but this blog is from Debbie Kennett who is a well known in the genetic genealogy community. She has nearly all British Isles ancestry and has had some results from LivingDNA.

https://cruwys.blogspot.com.au/2017/...-1-family.html
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Old 02-07-2017, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Southland, NZ
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None of those are a race. Irish, Scottish, English, and Welsh are all white - their race is white. .
Uhhh what? That's a colour, and not a terribly accurate one to use anyway. White isn't a race. Maybe you were thinking of bigger classifications of commonality like Caucasian. Even then, it's not suitable to say that one Caucasian from Italy is the same as some Scot from Glasgow, because that is just silly. Our differences are fascinating and something to both be aware and proud of.

Irish are predominantly Celtic, with Spanish (in the south) and Viking (in the north) thrown in from historic settlements. That's race.
English are German/Freisan/Danish from invasions. The original Britons were pushed into Wales (the name, I have read somewhere, means "foreigner". Must find that reference.) That's a race.
Scots are Celtic and Viking and those ancient and very plucky Picts. Making a unique...race.

So no, they're not white. They're people, with a history, sometimes a very messy and unpleasant history, but a history nonetheless.

For myself, I'm Irish, English, Ashkenazi and have an Australian passport. What do I answer when someone asks about my background? I say that I'm Irish, with an Ashkenazi Jewish surname. In other words, a bit of a mix!
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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Uhhh what? That's a colour, and not a terribly accurate one to use anyway. White isn't a race. Maybe you were thinking of bigger classifications of commonality like Caucasian. Even then, it's not suitable to say that one Caucasian from Italy is the same as some Scot from Glasgow, because that is just silly. Our differences are fascinating and something to both be aware and proud of.

Irish are predominantly Celtic, with Spanish (in the south) and Viking (in the north) thrown in from historic settlements. That's race.
English are German/Freisan/Danish from invasions. The original Britons were pushed into Wales (the name, I have read somewhere, means "foreigner". Must find that reference.) That's a race.
Scots are Celtic and Viking and those ancient and very plucky Picts. Making a unique...race.

So no, they're not white. They're people, with a history, sometimes a very messy and unpleasant history, but a history nonetheless.

For myself, I'm Irish, English, Ashkenazi and have an Australian passport. What do I answer when someone asks about my background? I say that I'm Irish, with an Ashkenazi Jewish surname. In other words, a bit of a mix!
The Irish are neither Spanish nor Viking. Not sure where people get that idea from. The Irish all cluster together. In dna cluster maps they are slightly north of the English and next to the Scots. All the British Isles are extremely close genetically. There is not much difference between the Celts and the Germanics. They all cluster right beside each other.

I guess a Eurogenes plot is as good as any. The Irish are a bit more northern than the English genetically which would not be the case if they were Spanish.

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