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Old 07-21-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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Here's a layman's take on it - and I could be wrong but here goes:

Yes, we inherit roughly 50 percent from each parent. But let me tell you how that played out for my brother and me (full brother - sharing both parents).

Yes, I inherited 50 percent of my DNA from each parent - but apparently the 50 percent from each of them was nearly completely English/Scottish/Irish (UK), Scandinavian, and Finnish. In other words, countries ringing the North Sea. I'm a Viking in other words. That's the DNA I inherited. Not one smidgen of Native American, for instance, though I know we have Native American ancestry (a smallish amount but I know it's in there). I also know we have a significant amount of German and French ancestry - I mean SIGNIFICANT as in probably 30 percent. But my DNA only showed 7 percent German and/or French. Me with my totally German last name and my ancestry records showing quite a bit of German and Swiss ancestry.

I am the whitest person I've ever known.

Anyway, my brother has not has his DNA done, but I can almost assure you that when/if he does he will show up with quite a bit more Germanic ancestry as well as probably some Native American. He has swarthier skin than me. He LOOKS Germanic. He's got that German surname. He is interested in all things German. Not me - I'm an Anglophile to the bone.

So my hypothesis is that I inherited 50 percent of my DNA from both parents - but I inherited the North Sea genes. I think my brother inherited more German and French (from both parents - my mom has a healthy dose of French in her and my dad has a LOT of German in him - probably 30 percent or more). And maybe he inherited some of the Native American genes - I don't know. Like I said, he's got swarthier skin than I do - I am the quintessential "English rose" and he looks definitely southern German.
Have you uploaded your raw data to GEDmatch? If not you should because Ancestry doesn't have all of the Native American types so it may not be showing due to that. They do not have NJ Lenni Lenape. None showed for my son, I then tested his grandmother who's fathers parents were NJ Lenni Lenape, she had no NA at Ancestry either. I then uploaded raw data for both at GEDmatch where it does show NA for both.

Below is part of a blog I wrote that will help you save your raw data to upload free to GEDmatch, you can also upload to Family Tree DNA and My Heritage free. GEDmatch and My Heritage give you free matching and ethnicity, FTDNA gives free matching. For $19 more FTDNA will give you myOrigins, ancientOrigins and Chromosome Browser. I haven't done it yet so can't comment on it. I have directions for using one of the heritage tools at GEDmatch to get you started.

My blog Family tree and DNA general instructions

Now to the DNA
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How to access and download your autosomal DNA results from AncestryDNA once you're ready to upload to other sites.

1. Navigate to the Ancestry.com website homepage.
2. In the upper-right corner, click Sign In to display the sign in window.
3. In the Username or email field, enter your username or email.
4. In the Password field, enter your password.
5. Click Sign In. Your Ancestry home page is displayed.
6. On the menu bar, click DNA > Your DNA Results Summary. The AncestryDNA home page is displayed.
7. On the right side of the page, click Settings. Your Test Settings page is displayed.
8. Scroll down the page.
9. On the right side of the page, in the Download your raw DNA data section, click Get Started. The Download your raw DNA data window is displayed.
10. Enter your password in the empty field.
11. Click Confirm. A window requesting that you check your email is displayed.
12. Check your email for an email from AncestryDNA with the subject line Your request to download AncestryDNA raw data.
13. In the email, click Confirm Data Download. You will be redirected to the Ancestry.com website.
14. Enter your username or email and password in the appropriate fields, and click Sign In. The Download DNA Raw Data page is displayed.
15. Click Download DNA Raw Data to download your raw data file. Note where you save the file on your computer
23andme Accessing your Raw Data


23 and me offers 2 tests, one for family finder ($99) and another for health ($200). If you do the family finder without health and you're interested in doing the health later on it will cost you an extra $25 so be aware of that. They do not support uploads from other sites.

Ancestry DNA - costs $99 plus $10 shipping. They do not allow uploads from other companies. Tests normally go on sale mothers and father's day, black Friday $69 and the Christmas holiday $79. I have a coupon code in my 1st post here I believe where it's $89 but you have to add the $10 shipping to it. It's very easy to buy more tests to add it to the people in your tree.

Family Tree DNA costs $79 or you can transfer your Ancestry DNA or 23 and Me autosomal DNA data to discover new matches for free. For $19 more they will give you myOrigins, ancientOrigins and Chromosome Browser. I haven't done it yet. I plan to do it at some point so I can get the experience. I have directions on how to upload multiple raw data files at FTDNA in case anyone gets stuck. Once you have the 1st one uploaded and have electronically signed it, logout of FamilyTreeDNA, then select the drop down box "DNA Tests" and select the "Autosomal Transfer". Fill out First Name and Last name of the person who's test you will be uploading and select if they are male or female and then enter your email address if you are the person who will administer this account. It will then assign you a new kit number and email you a new password for the kit. Then it will proceed to the upload DNA page. Make sure you look for the password email. You're going to get one for each sample you upload. You have to upload your family tree GEDcom file for each sample which is a pain in the butt but over all it's been a good experience. Directions page in case anyone needs it.

My Heritage DNA is normally $99 but they're selling it for $79. They're a new company so you may not get many matches. They allow free uploads from Ancestry, 23 and me and FTDNA. June 2017 - New, they now give free ethnicity estimates. I won a kit from My Heritage for a founders project. They were interested in me because my family has lived in Hungary for a long time. I got my ethnicity report from it, I'm 96.3% East European and 3.7% Italian. It took 6 months, they wouldn't release it until they were done analyzing data from everyone that was in the project. They did give me DNA matches, I only have 5 where on FTDNA and Ancestry I have a lot more. To upload your DNA from another company, go to your profile, you will see the DNA tab where you can upload your raw data. They're saying they will eventually be charging to upload raw data. They're also going to add a surname feature where they will give surnames at some point. To upload DNA to another person in your tree, find them on the tree then click their name, it will open a box on the left that has the link to upload.

GEDmatch where you can upload both your DNA and a GEDcom file; look for matches and do all sorts of things with finding out your ethnicity that's more involved then any of the other companies. They go back to hunter-gatherer. GEDmatch upload in case you can't find it. It only takes a few minutes to upload the DNA, then you can play around with the tools. Full results will come in a day or 2. I have not spent much time here so can't go into more detail on the matches. There are tutorials on DNA matching that I have not read yet. Click here to register

To get the break down on your ethnicity, see below GEDmatch Heritage Tool

GEDmatch Tools for DNA and Genealogy Research -
Analyze Your Data
'One-to-one' compare
X 'One-to-one'
Admixture (heritage) - Eurogenes and other admixture utilities
Admixture/Oracle with Population Search
Phasing
People who match one or both of 2 kits Updated
Predict Eye Color
Are your parents related?
3D Chromosome Browser
Archaic DNA matches
Multiple Kit Analysis NEW
DNA File Diagnostic Utility

GEDmatch Heritage Tool
copy your DNA sample number, go to Admixture (heritage), select project, Eurogenes. Next page, Select how you want to process it: Admixture Proportions (With link to Oracle); Enter your kit number: Select the 'calculator' model to use: Eurogenes K13, Enter your Ethnicity: you'll then get the graph, Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions; under the populations on the left, you'll see oracle and oracle -4
Here's a basic intro guide to gedmatch's admixture calculators: Genealogical Musings: Finally! A Gedmatch Admixture Guide!

Near East Neolithic K13 - select Admixture (heritage), Select the project GedrosiaDNA, Select how you want to process it: Admixture Proportions (With link to Oracle); Enter your kit number; Select the 'calculator' model to use: Near East Neolithic K13
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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My sister did the DNA and told me she is 47 % UK. I forgot how much Polish she said she was but it makes perfectly good sense to me. Our father's side came from England that I know for sure. My maiden name happens to be the same exact name as a huge Oil Company in the UK. My Dad's mother's family is 100% Polish and came over from Warsaw, Poland.

My mother's family is UK as well. I plan on doing my DNA in the next month or so. I find this so fascinating. It's weird because I have always wanted to visit England and was also intrigued by the Royal Family - Princess Diana therefore it was very cool to learn how much DNA (UK) was in my sister. I hope I have the same results.

Our grandmother who was 100% Polish use to dress like they did in the old country. I look at pictures of her and it's incredible. I miss them -
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Old 07-25-2017, 05:37 AM
 
Location: NJ
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My sister did the DNA and told me she is 47 % UK. I forgot how much Polish she said she was but it makes perfectly good sense to me. Our father's side came from England that I know for sure. My maiden name happens to be the same exact name as a huge Oil Company in the UK. My Dad's mother's family is 100% Polish and came over from Warsaw, Poland.

My mother's family is UK as well. I plan on doing my DNA in the next month or so. I find this so fascinating. It's weird because I have always wanted to visit England and was also intrigued by the Royal Family - Princess Diana therefore it was very cool to learn how much DNA (UK) was in my sister. I hope I have the same results.

Our grandmother who was 100% Polish use to dress like they did in the old country. I look at pictures of her and it's incredible. I miss them -
I have a Hungarian kids shirt from when I was a kid.

My son has a great, great, great grandfather that's a Spencer from England so I wonder if there is any relation to Diana. The grandfather was the head ground keeper at a castle which really makes me wonder
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Old 07-25-2017, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Originally Posted by Roselvr View Post
Have you uploaded your raw data to GEDmatch? If not you should because Ancestry doesn't have all of the Native American types so it may not be showing due to that. They do not have NJ Lenni Lenape. None showed for my son, I then tested his grandmother who's fathers parents were NJ Lenni Lenape, she had no NA at Ancestry either. I then uploaded raw data for both at GEDmatch where it does show NA for both.

Below is part of a blog I wrote that will help you save your raw data to upload free to GEDmatch, you can also upload to Family Tree DNA and My Heritage free. GEDmatch and My Heritage give you free matching and ethnicity, FTDNA gives free matching. For $19 more FTDNA will give you myOrigins, ancientOrigins and Chromosome Browser. I haven't done it yet so can't comment on it. I have directions for using one of the heritage tools at GEDmatch to get you started.

My blog Family tree and DNA general instructions

Now to the DNA
.


23andme Accessing your Raw Data


23 and me offers 2 tests, one for family finder ($99) and another for health ($200). If you do the family finder without health and you're interested in doing the health later on it will cost you an extra $25 so be aware of that. They do not support uploads from other sites.

Ancestry DNA - costs $99 plus $10 shipping. They do not allow uploads from other companies. Tests normally go on sale mothers and father's day, black Friday $69 and the Christmas holiday $79. I have a coupon code in my 1st post here I believe where it's $89 but you have to add the $10 shipping to it. It's very easy to buy more tests to add it to the people in your tree.

Family Tree DNA costs $79 or you can transfer your Ancestry DNA or 23 and Me autosomal DNA data to discover new matches for free. For $19 more they will give you myOrigins, ancientOrigins and Chromosome Browser. I haven't done it yet. I plan to do it at some point so I can get the experience. I have directions on how to upload multiple raw data files at FTDNA in case anyone gets stuck. Once you have the 1st one uploaded and have electronically signed it, logout of FamilyTreeDNA, then select the drop down box "DNA Tests" and select the "Autosomal Transfer". Fill out First Name and Last name of the person who's test you will be uploading and select if they are male or female and then enter your email address if you are the person who will administer this account. It will then assign you a new kit number and email you a new password for the kit. Then it will proceed to the upload DNA page. Make sure you look for the password email. You're going to get one for each sample you upload. You have to upload your family tree GEDcom file for each sample which is a pain in the butt but over all it's been a good experience. Directions page in case anyone needs it.

My Heritage DNA is normally $99 but they're selling it for $79. They're a new company so you may not get many matches. They allow free uploads from Ancestry, 23 and me and FTDNA. June 2017 - New, they now give free ethnicity estimates. I won a kit from My Heritage for a founders project. They were interested in me because my family has lived in Hungary for a long time. I got my ethnicity report from it, I'm 96.3% East European and 3.7% Italian. It took 6 months, they wouldn't release it until they were done analyzing data from everyone that was in the project. They did give me DNA matches, I only have 5 where on FTDNA and Ancestry I have a lot more. To upload your DNA from another company, go to your profile, you will see the DNA tab where you can upload your raw data. They're saying they will eventually be charging to upload raw data. They're also going to add a surname feature where they will give surnames at some point. To upload DNA to another person in your tree, find them on the tree then click their name, it will open a box on the left that has the link to upload.

GEDmatch where you can upload both your DNA and a GEDcom file; look for matches and do all sorts of things with finding out your ethnicity that's more involved then any of the other companies. They go back to hunter-gatherer. GEDmatch upload in case you can't find it. It only takes a few minutes to upload the DNA, then you can play around with the tools. Full results will come in a day or 2. I have not spent much time here so can't go into more detail on the matches. There are tutorials on DNA matching that I have not read yet. Click here to register

To get the break down on your ethnicity, see below GEDmatch Heritage Tool

GEDmatch Tools for DNA and Genealogy Research -
Analyze Your Data
'One-to-one' compare
X 'One-to-one'
Admixture (heritage) - Eurogenes and other admixture utilities
Admixture/Oracle with Population Search
Phasing
People who match one or both of 2 kits Updated
Predict Eye Color
Are your parents related?
3D Chromosome Browser
Archaic DNA matches
Multiple Kit Analysis NEW
DNA File Diagnostic Utility

GEDmatch Heritage Tool
copy your DNA sample number, go to Admixture (heritage), select project, Eurogenes. Next page, Select how you want to process it: Admixture Proportions (With link to Oracle); Enter your kit number: Select the 'calculator' model to use: Eurogenes K13, Enter your Ethnicity: you'll then get the graph, Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions; under the populations on the left, you'll see oracle and oracle -4
Here's a basic intro guide to gedmatch's admixture calculators: Genealogical Musings: Finally! A Gedmatch Admixture Guide!

Near East Neolithic K13 - select Admixture (heritage), Select the project GedrosiaDNA, Select how you want to process it: Admixture Proportions (With link to Oracle); Enter your kit number; Select the 'calculator' model to use: Near East Neolithic K13
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Thanks - I did upload it to GEDMatch and the results were the same - completely northern European, no Native American at all. I mean, I'm fine with that but it wasn't really what I was expecting considering the "family lore."

I've actually sent it in to three different companies (can't remember the other one now) and all of them showed exactly the same results. I'm a Viking apparently. This is interesting to me because I believe that the stories of Native American ancestry on my dad's side are pretty well documented but apparently I did not inherit any of that particular DNA. I wish I knew if my brother did.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Thanks - I did upload it to GEDMatch and the results were the same - completely northern European, no Native American at all. I mean, I'm fine with that but it wasn't really what I was expecting considering the "family lore."

I've actually sent it in to three different companies (can't remember the other one now) and all of them showed exactly the same results. I'm a Viking apparently. This is interesting to me because I believe that the stories of Native American ancestry on my dad's side are pretty well documented but apparently I did not inherit any of that particular DNA. I wish I knew if my brother did.
Are you able to get your brother tested?
I thought maybe it was too far back for it to show in my son but interestingly he shows more then his grandmother. Her nephew (sisters son) is on ancestry, he's not answering my messages so I think he may be on an app. When I click on a DNA match MIL and my son have that is a relative of the known NA relative, MIL's nephew isn't showing as a match under either of their accounts. I'm not sure if her sister has a different father or if her nephew has some setting on Ancestry where he's not shown for matching. When I click on her nephew's DNA profile, the known NA DNA match doesn't show as a common match. MIL doesn't live in our state any more but will be here in the next few days, hoping to speak to her before she and her daughter leave for Ireland and Scotland where they're researching my ex-FIL's mother's relatives.

Here are their GEDmatch Eurogenes

Ex-MIL

__________ Eurogenes Results _____________

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.77
2 Baltic 21.27
3 West_Med 16.53
4 West_Asian 4.65
5 East_Med 4.28
6 Siberian 1.52
7 Oceanian 0.68
8 Amerindian 0.57
9 Red_Sea 0.52
10 South_Asian 0.23

__________ Son Eurogenes Results _____________

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.82
2 Baltic 29.27
3 West_Med 14.56
4 West_Asian 8.33
5 East_Med 6.36
6 Red_Sea 1.34
7 Amerindian 0.98
8 South_Asian 0.58
9 Siberian 0.4
10 Oceanian 0.36
11 Sub-Saharan 0.01
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Old 07-29-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Are you able to get your brother tested?
I thought maybe it was too far back for it to show in my son but interestingly he shows more then his grandmother. Her nephew (sisters son) is on ancestry, he's not answering my messages so I think he may be on an app. When I click on a DNA match MIL and my son have that is a relative of the known NA relative, MIL's nephew isn't showing as a match under either of their accounts. I'm not sure if her sister has a different father or if her nephew has some setting on Ancestry where he's not shown for matching. When I click on her nephew's DNA profile, the known NA DNA match doesn't show as a common match. MIL doesn't live in our state any more but will be here in the next few days, hoping to speak to her before she and her daughter leave for Ireland and Scotland where they're researching my ex-FIL's mother's relatives.

Here are their GEDmatch Eurogenes

Ex-MIL

__________ Eurogenes Results _____________

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.77
2 Baltic 21.27
3 West_Med 16.53
4 West_Asian 4.65
5 East_Med 4.28
6 Siberian 1.52
7 Oceanian 0.68
8 Amerindian 0.57
9 Red_Sea 0.52
10 South_Asian 0.23

__________ Son Eurogenes Results _____________

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.82
2 Baltic 29.27
3 West_Med 14.56
4 West_Asian 8.33
5 East_Med 6.36
6 Red_Sea 1.34
7 Amerindian 0.98
8 South_Asian 0.58
9 Siberian 0.4
10 Oceanian 0.36
11 Sub-Saharan 0.01
I'm considering asking him if he wants to be tested and if so maybe I can give it to him as a birthday present.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:12 PM
 
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The DNA you inherit is like reaching into a bowl of jelly beans. You get what you get. When your sibling reaches into the bowl, that's what they get. By the time you are great grandparents out, that's a lot of colors to choose from.
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