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View Poll Results: What race would I go by?
white 39 37.50%
black 11 10.58%
Mexican(hispanic) 1 0.96%
mixed 53 50.96%
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Old 08-29-2017, 03:16 PM
 
Location: The point of no return, er, NorCal
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Yes, but that's not the point. These tests measure "recent" ancestry, within the last 500 to 1,000 years.

One of the reasons why some black people might have been unaware of their European ancestry, is because the definition of black in the US is so broad, due to the rule of hypodescent. Someone who looks like Ali, or Condi Rice, is comfortably within the definition of black in the US, so you may not think of them as mixed. However, when you compare them to the native peoples of west, and central Africa, there is a noticeable difference. Wesley Snipes looks like a West African. Ali looks like what he is, a person of predominantly African ancestry, but with substantial white admixture. In my family, the looks range from "just got off the boat" African, to "could pass as white if they wanted to", with a whole range of brown skins in between.

For the OP, the easiest thing is just to identify as a "mixed" person. I can't imagine that most people wouldn't be comfortable with that definition, based on your self description.
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Of course it will depend on just "how black", those two grandparents are. I have relatives who are multi-generationally mixed, who have tested at around 50-50 on the DNA test. They comfortably see themselves as black, but if they were the two grandparents mentioned, the grandchild would indeed be around 25% African. This is why most "bi-racial" people in the US, are actually more European than they are African. Derrick Jeter is classified as bi-racial, but his dad looks to be a typical African American, and likely has European ancestry in the 15-25% range. This would make Derrick around 60% European, and it shows. I always thought that Alex Rodriguez, a Dominican, looked more black than Jeter did.
This.

I just ran my raw data through the Dodecad Africa9 calculator.



Slightly more European, if not approaching more like 55-60% depending on the calculator due to the European and SW Asian on my mother's side, whom identifies as Black. (the complexion of, say, Halle Berry)

But looking at me, most just assume I'm Native American, Italian, Latina, or "something." Unless they're Black, they don't usually specially guess Black, unless I live someplace where I stand out from the norm. My hair texture gives it away.

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Old 08-29-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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This.

I just ran my raw data through the Dodecad Africa9 calculator.



Slightly more European, if not approaching more like 55-60% depending on the calculator due to the European and SW Asian on my mother's side, whom identifies as Black. (the complexion of, say, Halle Berry)

But looking at me, most just assume I'm Native American, Italian, Latina, or "something." Unless they're Black, they don't usually specially guess Black, unless I live someplace where I stand out from the norm. My hair texture gives it away.
Interesting !..I have been told I look like Scott Baio....LOL, maybe because of my italian blood.
here is my Africa9 results:
Population
Europe 52.74
NW_Africa 9.25
SW_Asia 23.81
E_Africa 2.34
S_Africa 3.82
Mbuti 1.27
W_Africa 6.08
Biaka -
San 0.68
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Old 08-31-2017, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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Mine from Dodecad:
40.00 W Europe
9.36 E Europe
20.19 Mediterranean
8.28 W Asian
2.14 S Asian
9.72 NE Asian
3.89 SE Asian
0.75 SW Asian
0.00 E African
1.83 Neo-African
1.86 NW African
1.99 Palaeo-African

I'm assuming the Asian is Native American, as that is what it shakes out as on other Gedmatch tests (I'm of Mexican descent).

After fooling with other Gedmatch tests some more, the European parts seem to not be what I thought they would be. I have an AncestryDNA test processing, which may confirm my findings (or not).

I'm just going to go by "man" from now on.
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Old 08-31-2017, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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Mine from Dodecad:
40.00 W Europe
9.36 E Europe
20.19 Mediterranean
8.28 W Asian
2.14 S Asian
9.72 NE Asian
3.89 SE Asian
0.75 SW Asian
0.00 E African
1.83 Neo-African
1.86 NW African
1.99 Palaeo-African

I'm assuming the Asian is Native American, as that is what it shakes out as on other Gedmatch tests (I'm of Mexican descent).

After fooling with other Gedmatch tests some more, the European parts seem to not be what I thought they would be. I have an AncestryDNA test processing, which may confirm my findings (or not).

I'm just going to go by "man" from now on.
Yes, I agree with you. I have some Native American too, and sometimes it shows up as SIBERIAN, take a look at this result from Gedmatch Eurogene EUTEST:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 5.63
EAST_EURO 10.04
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 12.98
ATLANTIC 14.15
WEST_MED 10.59
EAST_MED 7.70
WEST_ASIAN 3.44
MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.70
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.63
EAST_AFRICAN 3.73
EAST_ASIAN 5.87
SIBERIAN 13.55
WEST_AFRICAN 6.98
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:01 AM
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Mine from Dodecad:
40.00 W Europe
9.36 E Europe
20.19 Mediterranean
8.28 W Asian
2.14 S Asian
9.72 NE Asian
3.89 SE Asian
0.75 SW Asian
0.00 E African
1.83 Neo-African
1.86 NW African
1.99 Palaeo-African

I'm assuming the Asian is Native American, as that is what it shakes out as on other Gedmatch tests (I'm of Mexican descent).

After fooling with other Gedmatch tests some more, the European parts seem to not be what I thought they would be. I have an AncestryDNA test processing, which may confirm my findings (or not).

I'm just going to go by "man" from now on.
I don't like the Dodecad V3 calculator I prefer the Dodecad K12b one thing to remember is that these calculators are picking up deep ancestry thousands of years back. Here is mine I'm of Portuguese ancestry. The Gedrosia and Caucasus is deep ancestry. I haven't checked but I think the population used for Caucasus is Armenian, Southwest Asian possibly a Levantine population, and Gedrosia an Iranian like population.

Population
Gedrosia 6.44
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.69
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 40.44
North_European 26.80
South_Asian -
East_African 0.51
Southwest_Asian 5.91
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.11
Sub_Saharan 1.10
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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I don't like the Dodecad V3 calculator I prefer the Dodecad K12b one thing to remember is that these calculators are picking up deep ancestry thousands of years back. Here is mine I'm of Portuguese ancestry. The Gedrosia and Caucasus is deep ancestry. I haven't checked but I think the population used for Caucasus is Armenian, Southwest Asian possibly a Levantine population, and Gedrosia an Iranian like population.

Population
Gedrosia 6.44
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.69
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 40.44
North_European 26.80
South_Asian -
East_African 0.51
Southwest_Asian 5.91
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.11
Sub_Saharan 1.10
Here is mine:
Population
Gedrosia 6.69
Siberian 10.60
Northwest_African 3.97
Southeast_Asian 1.90
Atlantic_Med 23.37
North_European 21.78
South_Asian 1.08
East_African 1.68
Southwest_Asian 3.88
East_Asian 8.05
Caucasus 8.53
Sub_Saharan 8.48
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Old 08-31-2017, 05:03 PM
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Here is mine:
Population
Gedrosia 6.69
Siberian 10.60
Northwest_African 3.97
Southeast_Asian 1.90
Atlantic_Med 23.37
North_European 21.78
South_Asian 1.08
East_African 1.68
Southwest_Asian 3.88
East_Asian 8.05
Caucasus 8.53
Sub_Saharan 8.48
The South Asian is interesting. Does it consistently show up?
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Old 08-31-2017, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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The South Asian is interesting. Does it consistently show up?
Yes and I believe is Native American as well. At Ancestry.Com it shows up as from the Korean Peninsula. LOL
I guess Native Americans are Asians.
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:36 PM
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Yes and I believe is Native American as well. At Ancestry.Com it shows up as from the Korean Peninsula. LOL
I guess Native Americans are Asians.

I don't think it's Native American. Don't completely disregard the Korean I've seen Korean Y-DNA in Black Americans the Japanese sold off Korean POW's that they captured between 1592-1598 some likely made their way to the Caribbean.
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Old 08-31-2017, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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I don't think it's Native American. Don't completely disregard the Korean I've seen Korean Y-DNA in Black Americans the Japanese sold off Korean POW's that they captured between 1592-1598 some likely made their way to the Caribbean.
Only that my Y-DNA is: R1b1b2a1a2f*
Which is Irish or Basque
My MtDNA is : C1
Which is Native American
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