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Old 09-26-2017, 04:22 PM
 
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The reputable research by Russian DNA genealogist Anatoly Klyosov shows that there is common ancestor to Jews and Arabs. This corresponds to what is described in Bible and torah.

Now we are coming to the most interesting conclusion of this part of the study: only one branch on the tree of haplotypes of Jews and Arabs of haplogroup J1, which turned out to be the oldest branch, is a double one, i.e., one half of the branch is comprised of Jews and the other half is comprised of Arabs; those branches converge at one deepest (in time) point, that is, to one common ancestor. Calculations immediately showed that the common ancestor of Jews and Arabs lived about 4,000 years ago. This is the time when the Biblical Abraham lived, although the haplotypes in the branch do not, of course, disclose his name.

https://sites.google.com/site/levitedna/origins-of-r1a1a-ashkenazi-levites/2014-klyosov-article-on-jewish-dna-genealogy?tmpl=%2Fsystem%2Fapp%2Ftemplates%2Fprint %2F&showPrintDialog=1

Mr Klyosov research is very reputable among Jews, as the nation most keenly interested in its origins and purity of blood. He even received a golden medal from them for his research. Most specifically, he did research, per their request, on the Kohens blood line. That is because Kohen should be the one to light the light at the temple when Messiah arrives.
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Old 09-26-2017, 08:09 PM
 
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Klyosov is NOT "reputable" and has not been able to publish his research in peer-reviewed journals.
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Old 09-27-2017, 12:47 AM
 
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Given that Abraham, according to the Bible, lived much of his life as a nomad, I wouldn't expect there to be much historical evidence for his life.
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:42 AM
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There is a common ancestor to all peoples. That has been known for decades.
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:56 AM
 
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Maybe one "patrilineal" ancestor, representing both patrilineal and matrilineal genetic heritages (families).
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Old 09-28-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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Klyosov is NOT "reputable" and has not been able to publish his research in peer-reviewed journals.
I'd say he'd NOT have received high rewards from those in interest, if he were not. I knew this will come. Not everything peer reviewed is good science. His science is also rather a niche one. Not many of them peers to review anyway.
I'd say, if Kohens themselves approached him and asked for verification of their bloodline, as they apparently collected very generous sampling material - they probably trust him more, than peer reviewed articles.

Besides, he does not say "Abraham". He simply proves there was indeed a single ancestor for Arabs and Jews. What also happens to be said so in Torah and Bible.
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:57 PM
 
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It's not really a new idea:

Jews and Arabs Share Recent Ancestry | Science | AAAS

Then there is the most recent common ancestor of us all, who probably lived not as long ago as you might think

Most recent common ancestor | Familypedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia

"According to Rohde and his colleagues, if we consider not just our all-female and all-male lines, but our ancestors along all parental lines, it turns out that everyone on earth may share a common ancestor who is remarkably recent. Rohde, Olson, and Chang (2004),[5] using a non-genetic model, estimated that the MRCA [most recent common ancestor] of all living humans may have lived within historical times (3rd millennium BC to 1st millennium AD). The paper suggests, 'No matter the languages we speak or the color of our skin, we share ancestors who planted rice on the banks of the Yangtze, who first domesticated horses on the steppes of the Ukraine, who hunted giant sloths in the forests of North and South America, and who labored to build the Great Pyramid of Khufu.'"

I find that fascinating, especially since 23AndMe says I have a snippet of DNA that traces back to Mongolia and another snippet that is Native American. Those are so tiny that they are probably just noise, but just maybe ... ?
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