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Old 12-22-2017, 10:24 PM
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Hi my name is Kristen I am originally from Baltimore Maryland but I now live in Western Pennsylvania bu my question is about DNA results, I LOVE to look up my family tree and I got into Genealogy from my Dad who got into it from his Grandmother who was throwing away a book some how related to the Catholic Church and it had a lot of old names/dates in it.

But anyway's my question is on my Mom's side of the family about 8-10 years ago I found out that my Mom and I might be part Native American "Shawnee Indian" through my Grandmother who I did not know. ANd my Mom's family is originally from Western Maryland "Allegany County Mary;and) but anyway's NO ONE was ever able to prove the Native American so I decided to get my DNA tested first I did it through National Geographic and it said I was 48% German which made sense since my Mom, Grandmother (who I did not know) and my Great Grandmother's maiden names are or were of German Ancestry then it said I was 42% Greek and I thought wow, Greek are you sure but my Dad said a DNA test does not lie, then National Geographic was able to transfer my DNA over to Familytreedna and both National Geographic and the Familytreedna NO Native American showed up my it said I Was 37% Italy/Greece, so I thought maybe my Mom and I are NOT Native American we are Greek, so I went through a few years thinking we are now Greek and NOT Native American but then a distant cousin on my Mom's sie sent me a few copy's of old picture's and the one picture is of my Mom and I's Ancestor's from Germany and the lady who was supposed to be Native American is in the photo take abt 1878 and she had a different dress/outfit on and it does look like she is Native American because of the dress/outfit and also from other Native American dresses/outfits I seen from Googing Native American clothing.

So then I decided to have my Mom get her DNA tested and this time through Ancestrydna and it said she was 34% Europe East which is Germany and her maiden name, mother and grandmother's maiden names are or were of German Ancestry and then it said she was 19% Italy/Greece and 8% Ireland and 6% Great Britain and again NO Native American showed up but again I thought we are Greek and NOT Native American, but then I showed an old co-worker of mine the picture and the dress/outfit of the possible Native American my Mom's Great Grandmother and she said I am no expert but it did look Native American to her.

So then about three weeks ago I shared the picture on facebook and people who commented said that the dress/outfit looked like it was Native American, so then a few days later I asked a question the Ancestry official page on facebook about how my Mom's DNA said she was 19% Italy/Greece hen I found NO Ancestor's from Italy or Greece on my Mom's family tree and Ancestry replied saying that I will have to dig deeper into finding my Italian or Greek Ancestors for the 19% but the problem is I have gone so far back and far back as I can on my Mom's side of the family to where I will probably not find any Ancestor's from or living in Italy or Greece.

So my question is why does my Mom's Ancestrydna say 19% Italy/Greece when I found NO Ancestors from Italy or Greece. Or maybe my Mom's Great Grandmother is actually really Greek and not Native American. I wish that my Mom's Great Grandmother could appear to me in a dream and tell me what Nationality she is lol But thank you to who might know. And if there is a way to post the picture of my Mom's family on here please let me know and thank you again to who might know.
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Old 12-22-2017, 11:08 PM
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Upload both yours & mom’s raw data to Gedmatch, first view this: GEDmatch: Ancestry Composition Tools by Kitty Cooper

Editing to add: I don’t know for sure if you can upload Nat geo? But what about your dad?
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:30 AM
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See my thread //www.city-data.com/forum/genea...l#post49250127 which I'm pasting in below. I was told by my son's grandmother (my ex-mother in law) that her fathers mother Minnie was at least part Native from her father DW, no one was sure if his wife Jane was Native, I haven't worked on her line in a while, I don't see that I have the maiden name. I found a pretty good tree on family search for DW's tree so I know who his parents are.

So DW is supposedly NJ Lenni Lenape, son's DNA at ancestry doesn't show it. I had his grandmother done too. No Native at ancestry. I uploaded to GEDmatch, both show Native American. So make sure you upload with the directions below. There are a few threads here on the GEDmatch ethnicity tools, if I have time to link them you can add your results.

Be sure to upload your DNA to My Heritage for free ethnicity (no Native showing yet for either but they're a new DNA company), uploading to Family Tree DNA is free for family matching. Also free right now are health reports at Promethease; from what I understand the reports stay online 45 days. Best suggestion is to download a copy but view the report on their web site. If you do upload and want to post, there is a thread //www.city-data.com/forum/genea...l#post50389589

Holiday Gift from Promethease: all uploads are free through the end of December 2017. See FAQ.
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I've had this as a blog but decided to share it as a post for those that need it. If anyone has tips, please feel free to add them

Family tree and DNA general instructions

I originally wrote part of this as a reply to someone, hopefully what I've learned will help someone not waste time doing their tree. If anyone has any tips or correction of info, please let me know. I've been doing my family tree since fall of 2015, our DNA June 2016 so am fairly new myself. I wish I had found a basic guide but instead learned everything the hard way. My goal is to leave a tree for my kids, grand kids and my hubs grand daughter that we do not see, so she only knows her maternal history.

I started my family tree on My Heritage a year and a half ago. It's been a learning experience. My parents both came to the US from Hungary in the late 50's. My dad passed away 11 years ago, his brother only speaks Hungarian which I do not speak. My uncle gave me what he knew of their family (father, mother and her parents) when I had someone to translate a letter. My mothers relatives are in Hungary too, I have one Hungarian cousin who can answer basic questions using google translate, so I have a little help if needed. He gave me my grandparents, grand mothers maiden name plus my mothers siblings that I didn't know, I still need some date of births and locations. I have 2 kids, my daughter is in the same boat with immigrant grand parents from Poland and Germany while I had a good amount of info on my son's side. I have help from my kids grandmothers when needed. For my hub I had a good amount on his mothers side but not his fathers. I was able to start my tree with a decent amount of info. Now I have about 2,000 people in my tree at Ancestry.

So, I did my 1st tree on My Heritage, it gave me matches and some times smart matches where I looked at the match, was able to take what I needed to add to my own tree. At one point someone copied my kids relatives; so I ended up going to Ancestry to work in private; so far it's been great. I keep my main tree there. I've gotten pretty far because Ancestry gives you hints too. With the free account you can't save the hints, you have to type the info out yourself which is no big deal. I really do not do much with the tree at my heritage any more but that may change after I do my DNA there or if I run into a relative road block. I'll enter them to see if I get a match on someone elses tree.

I've used Family Search for records in the past. At some point I realized they gave free family trees too, so I started a basic one there. The tree view itself takes some getting used to but the person profiles are what I mainly use it for; I then go to their records search page to get info on a relative I'm working on at ancestry. The only time I add more relatives to my family search tree is when I run into a dead end so to speak. What's nice is they let you attach those records to the person profile in the tree. I have found more records at family search for some relatives then I have at ancestry. What I like about family search is that when you're entering say parents for your mother, it will do a search to see if she's already listed there; you may get lucky with a full tree branch as a result; which you then attach there, and when you have time, enter it into your tree at ancestry. It's not going to be a quick process; but you'll get rewarded with knowing more about your family and who you're working on.

When you do your tree, make sure you pay attention to privacy settings. Some people make their trees public but mine is private because I have relatives that are private people, they do not want their info to be public. I personally do not want my info public either. As a matter of fact, check out the thread 'Creepy' genealogy site knows a lot about you, it's about the site Familytreenow.com. In the search, enter your name; parents, grand parents, see what you come up with. That will give you an idea of what a public tree is like; info at anyone's finger tips. If you keep your tree private at ancestry or my heritage, people have to ask for an invite to view your tree. I didn't know about security when I started. I have not paid at any site and have not used my free trial at ancestry yet. I'm doing everything as a free account. I'm saving the free 2 week trial until I run into a dead end. Right now I'm getting tons of free info on 3 sites. IT takes more time entering things yourself but I feel it's worth it because the cost of membership at My Heritage or Ancestry is pretty steep. It wouldn't be bad if they did $10 a month but they want the hundred dollars or more in one shot. I'm going to need the world explorer which is a lot more.

Once you make a tree on Ancestry or My Heritage, you want to go to tree settings, save as GEDcom file. It's easier to make a tree on one site then upload the GEDcom file to other sites. I didn't know this when I started, had I known it, I would have started on Ancestry, then uploaded the GEDcom file to my heritage. I wasted a lot of time retyping my tree not knowing about it. Family Search also does GEDcom files, I haven't tried it so can't offer anything.

Family Tree Sites and GEDcom Files - Back up your family tree to upload to other sites

Ancestry - go to your family tree, next click the name of your tree in the top left corner, you'll see tree settings, click on it. On the right side you'll see a white box with Your home person in this tree; Your home person in this tree; Hint preferences; Manage your tree - Export your family tree data, as a GEDCOM file, to your computer, the GEDcom download will take a few seconds to generate.

My Heritage - Go to your profile, At the top it says home, family tree, discoveries, DNA, photos, research; mouse over family tree you'll see import GEDcom and manage trees, click manage trees, on the far right under actions you'll see export to GEDcom. My Heritage is limited with free family tree accounts. I have 203 people in my tree, it's telling me I have reached the maximum and will have to pay to add more people.

Family Tree DNA FTDNA - Log into FTDNA, you'll be on the main page that shows Welcome to myFTDNA with your account info in the left box, you can't miss where it says family tree; which you click then upload GEDcom is right there.

Family Search Scroll down on the main page, you'll see Do You Have a GEDCOM File? Preserve and Share Your Family Tree. You'll then see Submit Your Tree. To submit your tree, you must sign in or register with FamilySearch.org. What does it mean to submit your family tree? When you submit your family tree, you can upload a GEDCOM file so that others can search it on FamilySearch.org. This process replaces the Share My Genealogy feature that was used to submit information to the Pedigree Resource File (PRF). It then goes more into detail. Family Search trees are public trees, which I only recently found out. They do protect living people so only you will be able to see the info you add but I'm unsure exactly what others see so it's on my list of things to check out.

wikitree is a public tree. It's a community of genealogists trying to connect the world on one tree. I have not spent much time on wikitree so I can't really say anything about it except it's a decent place to get info for your own tree, but from experience you have to make sure you check what they have because it could be incorrect. There is a relative of my son's family there who has a lot of wrong information. I left comments on some of the profiles that have wrong info, she has not fixed it yet. I've emailed her asking to be on the safe list for the relatives because some are set to private, she hasn't answered. I haven't had time to go back to wikitree to each relatives profile to ask to be put on the safe list for each of the relatives we share. From what I see you have to sign up to volunteer before they'll let you do anything such as edit incorrect info.

Now to the DNA
How to access and download your autosomal DNA results from AncestryDNA once you're ready to upload to other sites.

1. Navigate to the Ancestry.com website homepage.
2. In the upper-right corner, click Sign In to display the sign in window.
3. In the Username or email field, enter your username or email.
4. In the Password field, enter your password.
5. Click Sign In. Your Ancestry home page is displayed.
6. On the menu bar, click DNA > Your DNA Results Summary. The AncestryDNA home page is displayed.
7. On the right side of the page, click Settings. Your Test Settings page is displayed.
8. Scroll down the page.
9. On the right side of the page, in the Download your raw DNA data section, click Get Started. The Download your raw DNA data window is displayed.
10. Enter your password in the empty field.
11. Click Confirm. A window requesting that you check your email is displayed.
12. Check your email for an email from AncestryDNA with the subject line Your request to download AncestryDNA raw data.
13. In the email, click Confirm Data Download. You will be redirected to the Ancestry.com website.
14. Enter your username or email and password in the appropriate fields, and click Sign In. The Download DNA Raw Data page is displayed.
15. Click Download DNA Raw Data to download your raw data file. Note where you save the file on your computer

23andme Accessing your Raw Data

FTDNA Accessing your Raw Data to upload to GEDmatch

23 and me offers 2 tests, one for family finder ($99) and another for health ($200). If you do the family finder without health and you're interested in doing the health later on it will cost you an extra $25 so be aware of that. They do not support uploads from other sites.

Ancestry DNA - costs $99 plus $10 shipping. They do not allow uploads from other companies. Tests normally go on sale mothers and father's day, black Friday $69 and the Christmas holiday $79. I have a coupon code in my 1st post here I believe where it's $89 but you have to add the $10 shipping to it. It's very easy to buy more tests to add it to the people in your tree.

Family Tree DNA costs $79 or you can transfer your Ancestry DNA or 23 and Me autosomal DNA data to discover new matches for free. For $19 more they will give you myOrigins, ancientOrigins and Chromosome Browser. I haven't done it yet. I plan to do it at some point so I can get the experience. I have directions on how to upload multiple raw data files at FTDNA in case anyone gets stuck. Once you have the 1st one uploaded and have electronically signed it, logout of FamilyTreeDNA, then select the drop down box "DNA Tests" and select the "Autosomal Transfer". Fill out First Name and Last name of the person who's test you will be uploading and select if they are male or female and then enter your email address if you are the person who will administer this account. It will then assign you a new kit number and email you a new password for the kit. Then it will proceed to the upload DNA page. Make sure you look for the password email. You're going to get one for each sample you upload. You have to upload your family tree GEDcom file for each sample which is a pain in the butt but over all it's been a good experience. Directions page in case anyone needs it.

My Heritage DNA is normally $99 but they're selling it for $79. They're a new company so you may not get many matches. I didn't have many matches until recently. Their database has really grown.. They allow free uploads from Ancestry, 23 and me and FTDNA. June 2017 - New, they now give free ethnicity estimates. I won a kit from My Heritage for a founders project. They were interested in me because my family has lived in Hungary for a long time. I got my ethnicity report from it, I'm 96.3% East European and 3.7% Italian. It took 6 months, they wouldn't release it until they were done analyzing data from everyone that was in the project. They did give me DNA matches, I only have 5 where on FTDNA and Ancestry I have a lot more. To upload your DNA from another company, go to your profile, you will see the DNA tab where you can upload your raw data. They're saying they will eventually be charging to upload raw data. They're also going to add a surname feature where they will give surnames at some point. To upload DNA to another person in your tree, find them on the tree then click their name, it will open a box on the left that has the link to upload.

GEDmatch where you can upload both your DNA and a GEDcom file; look for matches and do all sorts of things with finding out your ethnicity that's more involved then any of the other companies. They go back to hunter-gatherer. GEDmatch upload in case you can't find it. It only takes a few minutes to upload the DNA, then you can play around with the tools. Full results will come in a day or 2. I have not spent much time here so can't go into more detail on the matches. There are tutorials on DNA matching that I have not read yet. Click here to register

To get the break down on your ethnicity, see below GEDmatch Heritage Tool

GEDmatch Tools for DNA and Genealogy Research -
Analyze Your Data
'One-to-one' compare
X 'One-to-one'
Admixture (heritage) - Eurogenes and other admixture utilities
Admixture/Oracle with Population Search
People who match one or both of 2 kits Updated
Predict Eye Color
Are your parents related?
3D Chromosome Browser
Archaic DNA matches
Multiple Kit Analysis NEW
DNA File Diagnostic Utility

GEDmatch Heritage Tool
copy your DNA sample number, go to Admixture (heritage), select project, Eurogenes. Next page, Select how you want to process it: Admixture Proportions (With link to Oracle); Enter your kit number: Select the 'calculator' model to use: Eurogenes K13, Enter your Ethnicity: you'll then get the graph, Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions; under the populations on the left, you'll see oracle and oracle -4
Here's a basic intro guide to gedmatch's admixture calculators: Genealogical Musings: Finally! A Gedmatch Admixture Guide!

Near East Neolithic K13 - select Admixture (heritage), Select the project GedrosiaDNA, Select how you want to process it: Admixture Proportions (With link to Oracle); Enter your kit number; Select the 'calculator' model to use: Near East Neolithic K13

DNA Land - free upload of raw data. See the Frequently Asked Questions to see what you can do and directions to upload multiple raw data files from other relatives

Q - I have consent from a number of my family members to upload their DNA files/I have DNA files from all three of the companies, but I only have one email address. Is there anyway I can make multiple accounts with one email? (top)
A - We can currently handle a single genotype file per user/account as part of the consent process. But, if you are able to use a Gmail account, there is a trick that will allow you to create all your accounts using one email address. Say that your Gmail address is dna.land.user@gmail.com. To upload another family member (say your mother) to DNA.Land, create an account with the email dna.land.user+mom@gmail.com. Though it may look weird, DNA.Land will accept this as a valid email account. When we send the validation email to dna.land.user+mom@gmail.com, Google will redirect the message to YOUR account (dna.land.user@gmail.com). You can do that for as many genomes as you’d like, all under one Gmail account

Be sure to check this thread 1st Geneology & DNA Sites - Free Dates & Specials Thread, they post DNA sales as well as family tree related sales, days when Ancestry or other sites give free days such as St Patrick's day they gave free records in Ireland for a few days
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:36 AM
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First off, if you are of German decent, Ancestry would list it as "Europe West", not "Europe East".



^^^ previous post^^ what about dad? to get the clearest picture of your ancestry through DNA you should do both of your parents, and the oldest (generational) person alive on both sides. For instance I have done my mom, her mom, and my mom's fathers sister (moms paternal aunt) because her father (my grandfather) has passed away. This gives a very clear picture of where I get my DNA from.

Second clue is your matches. Look at the number of centimorgans you share with your matches. Ancestry will list your matches in order from highest match to lowest match, even though they are listed "close family. immediate family, first cousins etc....there is more info, see the link below.


look at your shared matches with your mom, and look at their origins. Look at the matches you do not share with your mom. Those are from your dad.....contact people, ask questions. Some will answer, some won't.....you might find things you were not expecting. Secrets, lies, affairs,--all of which I have found on my dad's side, but I always think it is better to know the truth than to wonder. If you need more help feel free to message me. Usually when something doesn't add up with the tree, last names, and the DNA, there is a secret. Your case sounds like that. It could be as innocent as an adoption, but something is not adding up.

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Old 12-23-2017, 07:23 AM
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I also recommend Gedmatch. Get your "raw data" from Ancestry and upload it to Gedmatch.
Here is my Eurogenes K13 from Gedmatch, I am 26.94% Native American or Amerindian. One of my great grandmother is Native American.

North_Atlantic 19.97
Baltic 7.56
West_Med 17.63
West_Asian 2.81
East_Med 9.84
Red_Sea 3.16
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.84
Amerindian 26.94
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.18
Sub-Saharan 9.08
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:26 AM
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I would suggest we wait until we hear back from Kristy---Europe east is not Germany. Something is not adding up regardless of the Native American - Italy/Greece question.
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Old 12-23-2017, 09:53 AM
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
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Originally Posted by fvncresident04 View Post
First off, if you are of German decent, Ancestry would list it as "Europe West", not "Europe East".


Actually, Germany can be included in Europe East, just not "primarily".
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Old 12-23-2017, 09:57 AM
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
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Originally Posted by fvncresident04 View Post
I would suggest we wait until we hear back from Kristy---Europe east is not Germany. Something is not adding up regardless of the Native American - Italy/Greece question.
In fact, 36% of people native to Europe West get results in Europe East. It's very normal to get results in neighboring regions of where your ancestry comes from. It's because there's so much shared DNA among neighboring regions. It's really not a reason to think anything is wrong or not adding up. The ethnicity report is very much an estimate and I would not take it very literally.
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:25 PM
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I'm about 99% sure I am the cousin that sent you the photo! I sent you a PM, but in case you just check the general thread, let me know if you want me to post the picture.

If you know what the Heck I am talking about, this clue will make sense to you
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Old 12-24-2017, 09:03 PM
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"a distant cousin on my Mom's sie sent me a few copy's of old picture's and the one picture is of my Mom and I's Ancestor's from Germany and the lady who was supposed to be Native American is in the photo take abt 1878 and she had a different dress/outfit on and it does look like she is Native American"

Dear, Native Americans do not come from Germany.

I get 9% Italy/Greece in Ancestry and I have 1/4 German ancestry, not Italian or Greek.
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