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Old 02-17-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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THe Dawes Rolls are names collected from Indian Territory between the dates of 1896-1906.

There are family names, birthdates, ages and locations listed. These are compared to census records to ensure this is your direct ancsestor. Brith & death records, marriages, census which include locations, names of kin. This is because others can have the same names. Unique names such as in my family will get you verified easier, especially in Indian Terriroty where sections had very few people


They call it indian territory because the majority of people were indians. My Father is from a large family like Elizabeth Warren so it would be almost impossible for her or I, to not be native american. Many Tribes didn't keep records. My GG Grandfather and GG Grandmother was killed by the whites. Most people would not allow their names to go onto that list as they didn't trust the whites. They had attempted to kill them via wars, including the TRAIL OF TEARS.

So many documents were destroyed. My Father never admitted he was Native American out of habit for his safety. Passed down from generation to generation. Of course if it was family, he couldn't deny but otherwise he told no one. Even those who comment he appeared to be Native American.
When she takes a DNA test, maybe a few just in case the first doesn't get it, we'll all believe her, okay. Until I see one with even some E. Asian, Polynesian or Siberian, I'm inclined to believe it's pretty far back...which is fine, but still disingenuous for employment purposes.

 
Old 02-17-2018, 05:25 PM
 
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When she takes a DNA test, maybe a few just in case the first doesn't get it, we'll all believe her, okay. Until I see one with even some E. Asian, Polynesian or Siberian, I'm inclined to believe it's pretty far back...which is fine, but still disingenuous for employment purposes.
If she wants to work for her tribe, and her Tribe or any other indian tribe wants the write off for hiring one of their own, that's fine with me.

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Indian Employment Tax Credit

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  1. Is an enrolled member of an Indian tribe (or the spouse of a member)
  2. Performs substantially all services within an Indian reservation
  3. Has their principal residence located in or near an Indian reservation
Employees who earn more than $40,000 are not eligible for this tax credit.
The Indian Employment Credit (IEC) has a maximum of $4,000 per eligible employee
 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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No. Those tests are not accurate so there is no reason to use them.

Those tests are not accurate nor do they determine who is native american. My best friens siblings got tested, totally different results. Both are Native American.
Uhmmmm.....I don't agree with you.!
Here is my Harappa World from Gedmatch:

Population
S-Indian -
Baloch 3.82
Caucasian 8.57
NE-Euro 17.90
SE-Asian 0.71
Siberian 1.75
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American 26.33 <=== 26% Native American
Beringian -
Mediterranean 24.53
SW-Asian 6.44
San 0.50
E-African 1.22
Pygmy -
W-African 8.23

And by the way, my MtDNA is C1, also Native American, while my Y-DNA is European: R1b1b2a1a2f* . I guess your siblings took the wrong DNA test, if they indeed have Native American DNA, it should show traces of it, doesn't matter if their Native American great grand parents are from 500 years ago. I also have CLOVIS DNA, the first Native Americans, which are 1,500 years old.


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Old 02-17-2018, 08:14 PM
 
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You're doing a 360 now. Sneaky Sneaky. The dawes rolls are the PRIMARY records used to get IHS Medical Benefits despite your untruth here-

//www.city-data.com/forum/51058853-post4.html

You do not understand how Native American Research works, My name was found there, MY LAST NAME.

Here's your post- People read my post AND the response. See the sneaky sneaky way this person tried to put words in my mouth???
//www.city-data.com/forum/51058973-post6.html


Back to it-
Remember, we are proving NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTRY

By proving your DIRECT NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTOR is listed on the DAWES ROLLS, that is the same and akin to YOU BEING LISTED THERE. I FOUND MY NAME THERE- LAST NAME attached to my Grandmother & Grandfather. This means I am eligible to join their Tribe and BE VERFIEID Native American for eligibility for IHS benefits

Nations each have different eligibility rules for enrollment.
 
Old 02-17-2018, 09:33 PM
 
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Nations each have different eligibility rules for enrollment.
This! Many tribes require enrollment of your entire personal name shortly after birth or forget about it. Some tribes require your mother, while others require your father, to be a member of that tribe. If you happen to get the wrong sequence, you can be close to 100% Native American but not be recognized by any tribe.

As 'historyfan' says, each tribe has its own rules. The Dawes roll may be a good research point of origin for some tribes, but finding a family name there is just the beginning of a search and nothing more. Sometimes an act of tribal council can get someone back into a tribe whose family had disappeared from their rolls over time, but that's not an easy thing to achieve either.

Then...we have those 'created' tribes...tribes said to be extinct before the US was even a country that reappear in modern times. Some say what Federal Recognition means to these people is the opportunity to get nailed to a blood quotient, and have their extinction documented in modern times as their % runs out over time and numbers dwindle. A small group with 1/64th or less blood quotient is destined for extinction. Others argue, the best hope for their survival in modern times is not to accept BIA recognition as a tribe.

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Old 02-17-2018, 10:21 PM
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Location: Coastal New Jersey
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No. Those tests are not accurate so there is no reason to use them.

Those tests are not accurate nor do they determine who is native american. My best friens siblings got tested, totally different results. Both are Native American.

If it were me, I would've asked for my money back

Elizabeth Warren is from Oklahoma. I've researched her entire family well into the 1800's in Oklahoma. She has a large family.

Let's just say it would be ALMOST IMPOSSSIBLE for her not to be Native American because that's all there were, 90% when you look at the census in that area.

Oklahoma became an official state in 1906. My Grandpa lived in one state then it was re-named another. How weird.

In order to be Native American for any benefits sakes, you need to be listed on the Dawes Rolls. You can search online for her maiden name over there then go from there using a website called 3Fold. It's been a while since I've done it. I realize what I've posted is foolishness to most who aren't familiar with Native American research but if you want to learn, it isn't really that hard. Just takes time
Yeah, we all saw the movie and know the songs...
 
Old 02-18-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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Then...we have those 'created' tribes...tribes said to be extinct before the US was even a country that reappear in modern times.
there a so called tribe in my area that been trying to get accepted but fed keep turning them down
 
Old 02-18-2018, 09:15 AM
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Location: Coastal New Jersey
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there a so called tribe in my area that been trying to get accepted but fed keep turning them down
Are you in Northern NJ?
 
Old 02-18-2018, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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The Dawes Rolls can be used to prove you have a Native American ancestor, but you specifically said "In order to be Native American for any benefits sakes, you need to be listed on the Dawes Rolls." You clearly said "you need to be listed" not "your ancestor needs to be listed". My research is just fine, thanks.
Alive since 1914? Please explain more to us outside the Nation.
 
Old 02-18-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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Are you in Northern NJ?
There are 3 groups I am aware of in NJ that are of Lenape descent. They should stop seeking BIA recognition, and content themselves with state recognition. But, that's just my opinion and means nothing to them. They are close knit groups but to be linked to a blood quotient will cause them much more harm that it does good.

The big prize for created tribes gaining recognition was the casino. Isnt it ironic that the government decided to make Native Americans into saloonkeepers? LOL! At any rate, NYC has casinos in close proximity as do most major cities now, so there is no more big prize to be had for dragging out the old documents and family bibles.
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