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Old 04-26-2018, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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This is where the Spreadsheets are useful. The MDLP K16 populations for Greek only get about 1-2% in North African. Sicilian gets 4.31% in North African. However, Iberian results in North African can be even higher, Spanish populations range from about 1% to 14%, and Portuguese gets 6.2%. So your North African results actually sound low for someone Iberian (although if you are not 100% Iberian then that is to be expected).
Your advice about looking at the reference panel information has been very helpful. Some of the GEDmatch utilities have no Greek samples at all, others have quiet a few. Taxe de Similitude has been the most useful, IMO, as it has a large amount of Greek, Southern Italian, and Sicilian population samples. That app places her a touch closer to Sicily than the Greek islands, probably because of that North African component.
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Old 05-01-2018, 04:24 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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My wife's results.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.66
2 Neolithic 25.73
3 Steppe 12.59
4 NorthEastEuropean 9.47
5 NorthAfrican 5.59
6 NearEast 5.44
7 EastAfrican 0.31
8 Oceanic 0.22
Wow! Thanks for posting! It's so interesting to see the similarities in two people whose parents & grandparents were all "Greek". You can see the "fade" towards the inland in my uncle, with the (very slightly) elevated North East European & the decreased North African:

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My Maternal Uncle:Admix
Caucasian 38.93
Neolithic 26.22
NorthEastEuropean 13.66
Steppe 12.76
NearEast 6.25
NorthAfrican 1.86
Siberian 0.20
Ancestor 0.12
And then it looks like your wife pulls more Sephardic, Algerian & Italian Jew while my uncle shows Kosovar, Gagauz & North Italy. They both show Jew (Ashkenazi) twice. I wonder what that is all about because they both have the Jew (Ashkenazim) as well.

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Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian (SouthItaly) 3.38
2 Greek (Athens) 3.98
3 Jew (Ashkenazi) 4.04
4 Sicilian (Sicily) 4.2
5 Maltese (Malta) 4.44
6 Jew (Ashkenazim) 5.07
7 Greek (Greece) 5.18
8 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.53
9 Greek (Macedonia) 6.07
10 Jew (Bulgaria) 6.62
11 Greek (Peloponnes) 6.89
12 Greek (Greece) 6.89
13 Albanian (Albania) 7.21
14 Jew (Italian) 7.42
15 Greek (Thessaloniki) 7.44
16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.52
17 Jew (Sephardim) 8.25
18 Jew (Turkey) 8.32
19 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 8.63
20 Jew (Algeria) 9.37
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Originally Posted by coschristi View Post
My Maternal Uncle's:Single Population Sharing:
1 Greek (Peloponnes) 3.38
2 Greek (Greece) 3.39
3 Greek (Macedonia) 3.66
4 Albanian (Albania) 3.93
5 Greek (Thessaloniki) 4.06
6 Italian (Abruzzo) 4.53
7 Greek (Athens) 4.77
8 Italian (SouthItaly) 5.55
9 Sicilian (Sicily) 5.58
10 Greek (Greece) 6.24
11 Kosovar (Kosovo) 6.28
12 Jew (Ashkenazi) 6.5
13 Jew (Ashkenazim) 6.63
14 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 6.93
15 Maltese (Malta) 7.21
16 Italian (Tuscany) 8.67
17 Jew (Ashkenazi) 8.78
18 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 9.25
19 Jew (Bulgaria) 9.51
20 Italian (NorthIitaly) 9.75
You can see a lot of your wife's Algerian here in mixed mode:

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Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.4% Greek (Athens) + 4.6% Mozabite (Algeria) @ 2.09
2 94.1% Greek (Athens) + 5.9% Berber (Algeria) @ 2.27
3 94.6% Greek (Athens) + 5.4% Saharawi (Morocco) @ 2.34
4 55.3% Maltese (Malta) + 44.7% Greek (Greece) @ 2.53
5 92.8% Greek (Athens) + 7.2% Algerian (Algeria) @ 2.56
6 75.2% Greek (Athens) + 24.8% Jew (Morocco) @ 2.58
7 92.5% Greek (Athens) + 7.5% Tunisian (Tunis) @ 2.66
8 68.5% Italian (SouthItaly) + 31.5% Greek (Greece) @ 2.69
9 92.9% Italian (SouthItaly) + 7.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.7
10 93.2% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.8% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.78
11 91% Sicilian (Sicily) + 9% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.81
12 50.7% Greek (Athens) + 49.3% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.84
13 82.8% Greek (Athens) + 17.2% Jew (Libya) @ 2.84
14 89.5% Sicilian (Sicily) + 10.5% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.87
15 93.6% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.4% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.88
16 85.1% Greek (Greece) + 14.9% Spanish (Canarias) @ 2.89
17 93.9% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.1% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) @ 2.91
18 93.6% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.4% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 2.91
19 76.7% Greek (Athens) + 23.3% Jew (Algeria) @ 2.92
20 89.8% Sicilian (Sicily) + 10.2% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.92
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My Maternal Uncle's Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 68.7% Greek (Greece) + 31.3% Greek (Greece) @ 2.09
2 74.6% Kosovar (Kosovo)+ 25.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.23
3 50.2% Greek (Greece) + 49.8% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.23
4 79.3% Kosovar (Kosovo) + 20.7% Druze (Mount_Carmel) @ 2.28
5 89.9% Greek (Greece) + 10.1% Druze (Mount_Carmel) @ 2.28
6 92.2% Greek (Greece) + 7.8% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.31
7 87.5% Greek (Greece) + 12.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.33
8 89.4% Albanian (Albania) + 10.6% Jew (Iraqi) @ 2.34
9 87.6% Albanian (Albania) + 12.4% Druze (Mount_Carmel) @ 2.35
10 84.7% Albanian (Albania) + 15.3% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.41
11 92.1% Greek (Greece) + 7.9% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.42
12 91.9% Greek (Greece) + 8.1% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.42
13 91.9% Greek (Greece) + 8.1% Jew (Iraqi) @ 2.43
14 65.1% Albanian (Albania) + 34.9% Greek (Greece) @ 2.44
15 90.1% Albanian (Albania) + 9.9% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.49
16 54.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 45.6% German (Germany) @ 2.51
17 77.1% Greek (Greece) + 22.9% French (EastFrance) @ 2.51
18 92.8% Greek (Macedonia) + 7.2% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 2.51
19 78.3% Greek (Greece) + 21.7% German (Germany) @ 2.52
20 82.8% Kosovar (Kosovo) + 17.2% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.54
... And then Albanian turns up in 4-population:
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4-population Oracle

1 Italian_Abruzzo + Jew_Morocco + Spanish_Spain + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.202276
2 Albanian_Albania + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha + Jew_Tunisian + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.210463
3 Albanian_Albania + Jew_Morocco + Spanish_Extremadura + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.213399
4 Italian_Tuscany + Spanish_Spain + Jew_Tunisian + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.214456
5 Greek_Thessaloniki + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha + Jew_Tunisian + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.219933
6 Albanian_Albania + Jew_Morocco + Spanish_Spain + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.258808
7 Greek_Greece + Italian_Abruzzo + Spanish_Canarias + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.262749
8 Greek_Greece + Jew_Libya + Spanish_Cataluna + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.264542
9 Albanian_Albania + Jew_Libya + Spanish_Cataluna + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.267385
10 Greek_Greece + Spanish_Cataluna + Jew_Tunisian + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.268187
11 Italian_Tuscany + Jew_Libya + Spanish_Spain + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.268780
12 Greek_Thessaloniki + Jew_Morocco + Spanish_Extremadura + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.279120
13 Albanian_Albania + Jew_Libya + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.279172
14 Albanian_Albania + Spanish_Cataluna + Jew_Tunisian + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.280715
15 Greek_Macedonia + Spanish_Aragon + Jew_Tunisian + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.289278
16 Albanian_Albania + Jew_Libya + Spanish_Extremadura + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.297689
17 Albanian_Albania + Spanish_Aragon + Jew_Tunisian + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.298552
18 Greek_Thessaloniki + Jew_Libya + Spanish_Extremadura + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.299945
19 Greek_Greece + Jew_Morocco + Spanish_Spain + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.300851
20 German_Germany + Italian_Tuscany + Jew_Tunisian + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.306715
Island Greek, I say, although there are certainly Balkan populations included here too.
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My Maternal Uncle's:Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Albanian_Albania + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Cypriot_Cyprus + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.107942
2 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.122251
3 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Kosovar_Kosovo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.174619
4 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.176186
5 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Kosovar_Kosovo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.183985
6 Albanian_Albania + Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.221673
7 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.227580
8 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.227750
9 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + German_Germany + Greek_Greece @ 2.228833
10 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Kosovar_Kosovo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.231224
11 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.237496
12 Cypriot_Cyprus + German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Greek_Greece @ 2.239211
13 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Greek_Thessaloniki + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.244385
14 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Greek_Thessaloniki + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.246933
15 Albanian_Albania + Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.247556
16 Cypriot_Cyprus + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Greek_Greece @ 2.248705
17 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Athens + Kosovar_Kosovo + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.249134
18 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Italian_Tuscany + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.252217
19 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Greek_Thessaloniki + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.252232
20 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Greek_Thessaloniki + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.252280
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Old 05-01-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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It is really neat to see the research play out in reality. My wife did come back with 1% European Jewish on Ancestry.com, so I consider a Jewish ancestor to be a possibility. Jewish populations are a popular choice to mix with Greek or Italian groups in Oracle Mixed-Mode, as are North African ones.

Here is my wife's Yia Yia. She is above the reference panel Greeks for North African, but not as much as my wife. Other tests show them at similar percents.

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 41.44
2 Neolithic 24.95
3 Steppe 13.76
4 NorthEastEuropean 9.34
5 NearEast 6.79
6 NorthAfrican 2.78
7 Oceanic 0.54
8 Arctic 0.19
9 Australian 0.11
10 EastAfrican 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Athens) 3.12
2 Greek (Greece) 3.79
3 Italian (SouthItaly) 4.26
4 Jew (Ashkenazi) 4.35
5 Greek (Macedonia) 4.86
6 Sicilian (Sicily) 5.2
7 Jew (Ashkenazim) 5.43
8 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.74
9 Maltese (Malta) 6.72
10 Greek (Peloponnes) 6.81
11 Jew (Bulgaria) 6.87
12 Greek (Greece) 6.98
13 Albanian (Albania) 7.74
14 Jew (Italian) 7.78
15 Greek (Thessaloniki) 7.83
16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.95
17 Jew (Sephardim) 8.5
18 Jew (Turkey) 8.67
19 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 8.75
20 Greek (Azov) 10.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Italian (Abruzzo) + 17.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.75
2 85.3% Italian (Abruzzo) + 14.7% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.23
3 97.2% Greek (Athens) + 2.8% BedouinB (Negev) @ 2.24
4 63.4% Greek (Greece) + 36.6% Italian (Abruzzo) @ 2.27
5 64.3% Greek (Athens) + 35.7% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.38
6 54.5% Greek (Greece) + 45.5% Italian (SouthItaly) @ 2.39
7 81.7% Italian (Abruzzo) + 18.3% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.4
8 94.5% Greek (Athens) + 5.5% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) @ 2.4
9 94.5% Greek (Athens) + 5.5% Jew (Yemen) @ 2.49
10 82.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 17.2% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.5
11 82% Greek (Athens) + 18% Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) @ 2.52
12 93.4% Greek (Athens) + 6.6% BedouinA (Negev) @ 2.54
13 80.3% Greek (Athens) + 19.7% Jew (Italian) @ 2.55
14 55.7% Greek (Greece) + 44.3% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.56
15 91.3% Greek (Athens) + 8.7% Arab_Israel (Shefa_Amr) @ 2.56
16 84.7% Greek (Athens) + 15.3% Jew (Algeria) @ 2.57
17 62% Greek (Greece) + 38% Sicilian (Sicily) @ 2.61
18 90.9% Greek (Athens) + 9.1% Samaritan (Israel) @ 2.62
19 80.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 19.2% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.62
20 90.9% Greek (Athens) + 9.1% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) @ 2.65

1 Corsican_Corsica + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.131019
2 Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.236799
3 Albanian_Albania + Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.292214
4 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Greece + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.351274
5 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.373441
6 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.377608
7 Albanian_Albania + Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Sicilian_Sicily @ 2.391068
8 Armenian_Armenia + Jew_Ashkenazi + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Tuscany @ 2.395333
9 Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.409310
10 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Greece + Italian_Tuscany + Sicilian_Sicily @ 2.411873
11 Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.419832
12 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_NorthIitaly + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.420542
13 Armenian_Armenia + Jew_Ashkenazi + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.423546
14 Armenian_Armenia + Corsican_Corsica + Greek_Athens + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.425409
15 Jew_Ashkenazi + Greek_Greece + Greek_Greece + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.441745
16 Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_SouthItaly + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.444675
17 Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo + Sicilian_Sicily @ 2.454675
18 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.457196
19 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Tuscany + Sicilian_Sicily @ 2.462987
20 Cypriot_Cyprus + Gagauz_Gagauzia + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.479531
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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It is really neat to see the research play out in reality. My wife did come back with 1% European Jewish on Ancestry.com, so I consider a Jewish ancestor to be a possibility. Jewish populations are a popular choice to mix with Greek or Italian groups in Oracle Mixed-Mode, as are North African ones.

Here is my wife's Yia Yia. She is above the reference panel Greeks for North African, but not as much as my wife. Other tests show them at similar percents.

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 41.44
2 Neolithic 24.95
3 Steppe 13.76
4 NorthEastEuropean 9.34
5 NearEast 6.79
6 NorthAfrican 2.78
7 Oceanic 0.54
8 Arctic 0.19
9 Australian 0.11
10 EastAfrican 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Athens) 3.12
2 Greek (Greece) 3.79
3 Italian (SouthItaly) 4.26
4 Jew (Ashkenazi) 4.35
5 Greek (Macedonia) 4.86
6 Sicilian (Sicily) 5.2
7 Jew (Ashkenazim) 5.43
8 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.74
9 Maltese (Malta) 6.72
10 Greek (Peloponnes) 6.81
11 Jew (Bulgaria) 6.87
12 Greek (Greece) 6.98
13 Albanian (Albania) 7.74
14 Jew (Italian) 7.78
15 Greek (Thessaloniki) 7.83
16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.95
17 Jew (Sephardim) 8.5
18 Jew (Turkey) 8.67
19 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 8.75
20 Greek (Azov) 10.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Italian (Abruzzo) + 17.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.75
2 85.3% Italian (Abruzzo) + 14.7% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.23
3 97.2% Greek (Athens) + 2.8% BedouinB (Negev) @ 2.24
4 63.4% Greek (Greece) + 36.6% Italian (Abruzzo) @ 2.27
5 64.3% Greek (Athens) + 35.7% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.38
6 54.5% Greek (Greece) + 45.5% Italian (SouthItaly) @ 2.39
7 81.7% Italian (Abruzzo) + 18.3% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.4
8 94.5% Greek (Athens) + 5.5% Saudi (Saudi_Arabia) @ 2.4
9 94.5% Greek (Athens) + 5.5% Jew (Yemen) @ 2.49
10 82.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 17.2% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.5
11 82% Greek (Athens) + 18% Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) @ 2.52
12 93.4% Greek (Athens) + 6.6% BedouinA (Negev) @ 2.54
13 80.3% Greek (Athens) + 19.7% Jew (Italian) @ 2.55
14 55.7% Greek (Greece) + 44.3% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.56
15 91.3% Greek (Athens) + 8.7% Arab_Israel (Shefa_Amr) @ 2.56
16 84.7% Greek (Athens) + 15.3% Jew (Algeria) @ 2.57
17 62% Greek (Greece) + 38% Sicilian (Sicily) @ 2.61
18 90.9% Greek (Athens) + 9.1% Samaritan (Israel) @ 2.62
19 80.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 19.2% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.62
20 90.9% Greek (Athens) + 9.1% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) @ 2.65

1 Corsican_Corsica + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.131019
2 Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.236799
3 Albanian_Albania + Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.292214
4 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Greece + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.351274
5 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.373441
6 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.377608
7 Albanian_Albania + Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Sicilian_Sicily @ 2.391068
8 Armenian_Armenia + Jew_Ashkenazi + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Tuscany @ 2.395333
9 Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.409310
10 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Greece + Italian_Tuscany + Sicilian_Sicily @ 2.411873
11 Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.419832
12 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_NorthIitaly + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.420542
13 Armenian_Armenia + Jew_Ashkenazi + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.423546
14 Armenian_Armenia + Corsican_Corsica + Greek_Athens + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.425409
15 Jew_Ashkenazi + Greek_Greece + Greek_Greece + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.441745
16 Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_SouthItaly + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.444675
17 Armenian_Armenia + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Abruzzo + Sicilian_Sicily @ 2.454675
18 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.457196
19 Armenian_Armenia + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Tuscany + Sicilian_Sicily @ 2.462987
20 Cypriot_Cyprus + Gagauz_Gagauzia + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.479531
I guess she is Italian
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:44 PM
 
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I guess she is Italian
She is an "Island Greek," as far back as we can trace her line (which is admittedly not very far) but Italian is a very good guess considering the close genetic connection between the Greek islands, Southern Italy and Sicily. Oracle tends to place my wife in Southern Italy as a first choice, rather than Greece. Her Yia Yia (the results I just posted) gets Greece more often, but mixed mode is happy using either as you can see.
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:57 PM
 
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I believe it was in the region east of Trikala. It’s been a couple of years since my mom pointed it out for me on the map.

There are several people on both 23&me & Gedmatch that have family from that region but you are correct in that it does not exist as far as google is concerned!

That’s interesting about your wife’s relative; my mom used to call her grandfather an “Adonis” Greek & said that is where she got her height from, as she was 5’10”. I suppose I may have too, as I am 5’10 & it sure didn’t come from my dad (he is 5’6”).
Have you tried to run your uncle through the puntDNAL K13 or K15? They have a sample from Greece-Thessaly.

My wife and her grandma are way off from this Greek sample, too much SW Asian and too little NE European. Oracles assigns them Ashkenazi Jewish first, Sicily second. The Central Greece and Thessaly samples have Oracles distances of 10+ and are largely excluded from mixed-mode, except as possible mixtures to Jewish populations.

I can post if you want to see them....but I also don't want to take over the thread talking about Greece and my wife's family too much.
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:23 AM
 
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Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent 1 WHG 35.91 2 Neolithic 34.78 3 EHG 24.95 4 Basal 2.38 5 Iran-Mesolithic 1.38
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Old 05-06-2018, 12:59 AM
 
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It is really neat to see the research play out in reality. My wife did come back with 1% European Jewish on Ancestry.com, so I consider a Jewish ancestor to be a possibility. Jewish populations are a popular choice to mix with Greek or Italian groups in Oracle Mixed-Mode, as are North African ones.
Before we did our DNA, I had been furiously working through family tree stuff trying to find the 1 ancestor on my mom’s side & the 1 ancestor on my dad’s side that allowed me to born with a recessive trait that had skipped at least 3 generations.

Finally after months, I went to my parents house & said “The only way I could be your kid is if both of you have a recent ancestor who was either French Basque or Ashkenazi”!

I found my Ashkenazi on my dad’s side, 6 generations back (most trait calculators only consider 3 generations). Mom knew of Ashkenazi temple ruins in Greece & had done research in Genetics as part of her Immunology PhD & was convinced that she had some Ashkenazi also. DNA seems to confirm this, as I have twice as much Ashkenazi as my dad per Jtest(gedmatch eurogenes) but am very close in % to my uncle.

I wish she were still here to see all this! She passed away before she was able to submit her test which is why her brother filled in instead.
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Old 05-06-2018, 01:31 AM
 
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Have you tried to run your uncle through the puntDNAL K13 or K15? They have a sample from Greece-Thessaly.

My wife and her grandma are way off from this Greek sample, too much SW Asian and too little NE European. Oracles assigns them Ashkenazi Jewish first, Sicily second. The Central Greece and Thessaly samples have Oracles distances of 10+ and are largely excluded from mixed-mode, except as possible mixtures to Jewish populations.

I can post if you want to see them....but I also don't want to take over the thread talking about Greece and my wife's family too much.
Ha; the Big, Fat Greek Thread ...(kidding). But no, I will try those. I’ve been trying to figure out why my uncle, despite having the “all 4 grandparents from the same ethnicity”, comes up with such large distances on some calculators.

What is that telling me?

I’m sure it’s coincidental but you mention both wife & YiaYia? Did they test at the same time? I noticed on my uncle’s “one to many” matches that 2 females have been recently added at a 4.2 generation distance from him, who appear to be closely related to each other. Probably coincidental; there are a lot of new users on gedmatch recently & we do get new matches frequently.
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Old 05-06-2018, 03:29 PM
 
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Ha; the Big, Fat Greek Thread ...(kidding). But no, I will try those. I’ve been trying to figure out why my uncle, despite having the “all 4 grandparents from the same ethnicity”, comes up with such large distances on some calculators.

What is that telling me?

I’m sure it’s coincidental but you mention both wife & YiaYia? Did they test at the same time? I noticed on my uncle’s “one to many” matches that 2 females have been recently added at a 4.2 generation distance from him, who appear to be closely related to each other. Probably coincidental; there are a lot of new users on gedmatch recently & we do get new matches frequently.
PM sent about GEDmatch cousins.

Yeah, not all the GEDmatch tests have Oracles that are useful for Greeks, IMO. I have found success using the "Admix/Oracle with Population Search" and enter GRE. This will bring up the tests that have a Greek sample attached to Oracle, and how many. In my experience, the tests with more samples yield better results. I think there is too much genetic variation within the Greek population for one sample to work for all people.

I would also strongly recommend running a K36 on Eurogenes and plugging it into the Taxe de Similitude. Being able to visualize the raw numbers is very helpful.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/3FkP...erso-orange.fr

This link should take you to 3 maps showing the K36 results for three Greek people (click "my shots" in the top left to see the others.) My wife and her Yia Yia are among them, as is a submission whose GEDcom indicates their ancestry as mainland Greece.

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