Gedmatch MDLP K16 Modern(Post for comparison) (Asian, Europeans, Scottish)

[AFP]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

Thanks. Is Steppe is roughly the Bell Beakers contribution to the European gene pool?

No Bell Beaker was a culture which spread from the Iberian Peninsula it wasn't the spread of genetics.

genetics.Ancient DNA reveals impact of the “Beaker Phenomenon” on prehistoric Europeans - Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona - UAB Barcelona

The Yamnaya spread the steppe component.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...cal-population

[Bernie20]

You need to post what populations you match. That is the most informative part. This is a bit off for me although I am half Irish Connacht and half Irish Munster.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 29.09
2 NorthEastEuropean 27.18
3 Steppe 23.58
4 Caucasian 18.22
5 Indian 1.93

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 1.97
2 Scottish (Highlands) 2.36
3 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 2.52
4 Irish (Connacht) 2.53
5 English (England) 2.64
6 Irish (Munster) 2.68
7 Scottish (Fife) 2.74
8 Scottish (Grampian) 2.81
9 Irish (Ulster) 2.83
10 English (Cornwall) 2.86
11 French (WestFrance) 2.87
12 Irish (Leinster) 2.92
13 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 2.93
14 Scottish (Borders) 2.96
15 English (Kent) 3.21
16 Dutch (Netherlands) 3.64
17 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 4.41
18 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 4.46
19 Welsh (Wales) 4.95
20 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 13.2% German (Germany) @ 1.79
2 57.3% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 42.7% German (Germany) @ 1.86
3 71.5% English (Kent) + 28.5% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.86
4 82% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 18% English (Kent) @ 1.88
5 91.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 8.2% French (France) @ 1.9
6 97.2% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2.8% Italian (Bergamo) @ 1.91
7 57% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 43% German (Germany) @ 1.91
8 59.4% English (Cornwall) + 40.6% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 1.91
9 98.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.2% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 1.92
10 82.1% English (Kent) + 17.9% Cossack (Zaporozhie) @ 1.93
11 50.5% German (Germany) + 49.5% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 1.94
12 97.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2.2% Spanish (Baleares) @ 1.94
13 98.4% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.6% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 1.94
14 98% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.94
15 98.6% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.4% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 1.94
16 99.5% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 0.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.95
17 98.7% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.3% Albanian (Albania) @ 1.95
18 97.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2.1% Serbian (Serbia) @ 1.95
19 86.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 13.1% English (England) @ 1.95
20 65.2% English (Kent) + 34.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.95

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by AFP

No Bell Beaker was a culture which spread from the Iberian Peninsula it wasn't the spread of genetics.

genetics.Ancient DNA reveals impact of the “Beaker Phenomenon” on prehistoric Europeans - Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona - UAB Barcelona

The Yamnaya spread the steppe component.

Thousands of horsemen may have swept into Bronze Age Europe, transforming the local population | Science | AAAS

The Central European Bell Beaker spread the genetics. The Iberian Bell Beakers were obviously a different group genetically than the Central European ones. I doubt they are connected and I think these studies show this.

[AFP]

Originally Posted by Bernie20

The Central European Bell Beaker spread the genetics. The Iberian Bell Beakers were obviously a different group genetically than the Central European ones. I doubt they are connected and I think these studies show this.

Bell Beaker was a culture that spread to central Europe the original Bell Beaker culture were the Iberians at a later date the Central Europeans that adopted the Bell Beaker culture spread their genetics to the Iberian Peninsula.

Quoted from the first link in post #11.

“In relation to peninsular prehistory, it is made obvious that the genetic composition of the first communities manufacturing metal weapons was quite different from the current societies living in the Iberian Peninsula. Our next challenge is to determine how and when these migrations took place and gave way to the introduction of the 'steppe' component in the Peninsula which is visible today”, Risch adds.

[AFP]

Mine is off with Provencal for sure and with the secondary Balkan populations.



# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 33.34
2 Caucasian 22.1
3 Steppe 18.06
4 NorthEastEuropean 17.17
5 NorthAfrican 4.49
6 NearEast 3.55
7 Ancestor 0.52
8 Subsaharian 0.38
9 Oceanic 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Provencal (Provence) 3.76
2 Spanish (Spain) 4.1
3 Portuguese (Portugal) 4.35
4 Spanish (Baleares) 4.44
5 Spanish (Extremadura) 5.9
6 Italian (Bergamo) 6.5
7 Spanish (Galicia) 6.84
8 Corsican (Corsica) 6.9
9 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.2
10 French (EastFrance) 7.28
11 French (NorthwestFrance) 7.38
12 Spanish (Murcia) 7.48
13 Spanish (Cataluna) 7.53
14 Spanish (Andalucia) 7.69
15 Italian (Friul) 8.04
16 German (Germany) 8.4
17 Italian (NorthIitaly) 8.73
18 Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) 8.75
19 French (France) 8.78
20 Spanish (Valencia) 9.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66% Spanish (Extremadura) + 34% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.84
2 67.7% Spanish (Extremadura) + 32.3% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 1.95
3 71.9% Spanish (Extremadura) + 28.1% Greek (Greece) @ 2
4 57.8% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 42.2% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.02
5 53.8% Spanish (Aragon) + 46.2% Gagauz (Gagauzia) @ 2.03
6 58.5% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 41.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.04
7 63.7% Spanish (Extremadura) + 36.3% Romanian (Gorj) @ 2.05
8 72% Spanish (Extremadura) + 28% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.13
9 56% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 44% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.14
10 81.4% Spanish (Spain) + 18.6% Italian (Abruzzo) @ 2.19
11 85% Spanish (Spain) + 15% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.19
12 70.7% Spanish (Extremadura) + 29.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.19
13 89.6% Spanish (Spain) + 10.4% Jew (Syria) @ 2.23
14 91.9% Spanish (Spain) + 8.1% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.24
15 91.4% Spanish (Spain) + 8.6% Armenian (Erzrum) @ 2.25
16 92.4% Spanish (Spain) + 7.6% Georgian (Kakheti) @ 2.27
17 56% Provencal (Provence) + 44% Spanish (Baleares) @ 2.27
18 91.8% Spanish (Spain) + 8.2% Assyrian (Turkey) @ 2.28
19 87.1% Spanish (Spain) + 12.9% Jew (Algeria) @ 2.28
20 56.9% Spanish (Andalucia) + 43.1% Romanian (Gorj) @ 2.28

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by AFP

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Bell Beaker was a culture that spread to central Europe the original Bell Beaker culture were the Iberians at a later date the Central Europeans that adopted the Bell Beaker culture spread their genetics to the Iberian Peninsula.

Quoted from the first link in post #11.

“In relation to peninsular prehistory, it is made obvious that the genetic composition of the first communities manufacturing metal weapons was quite different from the current societies living in the Iberian Peninsula. Our next challenge is to determine how and when these migrations took place and gave way to the introduction of the 'steppe' component in the Peninsula which is visible today”, Risch adds.

The original Bell Beakers were different genetically than the Central European Bell Beakers. The Central European Bell Beakers have the Steppe component and carry R1b. I've posted about this on this forum a few years ago. The Central European Bell Beakers are the ones who have spread R1b and the Steppe component into most of Europe.

This is a good paper about the Portuguese side of things. You've most like read this AFP?

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...type=printable

[AFP]

Originally Posted by Bernie20;51476208[B

]The original Bell Beakers were different genetically than the Central European Bell Beakers.[/b] The Central European Bell Beakers have the Steppe component and carry R1b. I've posted about this on this forum a few years ago. The Central European Bell Beakers are the ones who have spread R1b and the Steppe component into most of Europe.

This is a good paper about the Portuguese side of things. You've most like read this AFP?

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...type=printable

Yes that is true and also corroborated in this study.

Quote "In contrast to the events in north-central Europe, the arrival of most of the Yamnaya-related ancestry in Iberia postdates the onset of Bell Beaker pottery in Iberia, suggesting that the Bell Beaker culture spread culturally (48), while steppe ancestry was brought into Iberia through later migrations. Notably, both male Bronze Age Iberian individuals in this study as well as all three Iberian Bronze Age males in ref. 24 carried R1b-M269 Y chromosomes (SI Appendix, Table S4.1) also found with high frequency in individuals associated with the Yamnaya culture, the source population of steppe ancestry (4, 6), indicating a continuing male-driven migration from central Europe into southwestern Europe (8, 24, 53)." End Quote

Quote" Only after the spread of Bell Beaker pottery did steppe-related ancestry arrive in Iberia, where it had smaller contributions to the population compared with the impact that it had in central Europe. This implies that the two prehistoric migrations causing major population turnovers in central Europe had differential effects at the southwestern edge of their distribution:"End Quote

Four millennia of Iberian biomolecular prehistory illustrate the impact of prehistoric migrations at the far end of Eurasia | PNAS

[Hums]

Predominantly ethnic Russian, some Ukrainian.

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 37.08
2 Steppe 19.99
3 Neolithic 19.79
4 Caucasian 19.4
5 Amerindian 1.4
6 Siberian 1.03
7 Oceanic 0.77
8 Arctic 0.29
9 NearEast 0.24

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian (Lithuania) 1.86
2 Russians-West (WestRussian) 2.92
3 Belarusian (Belarus) 3.46
4 Latvian (Latvia) 3.51
5 Estonian (Estonia) 3.8
6 Pole (Poland) 4.28
7 Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) 4.29
8 Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) 4.54
9 Russian (Tver) 4.61
10 Latvian_Cesis (Cesis) 4.65
11 Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) 5.01
12 Russian (CentralRussia) 5.02
13 Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) 5.45
14 Belarusian_West (WestBelarus) 5.74
15 Cossack (Kuban) 5.81
16 Belarusian_East (EastBelarus) 5.95
17 Ingrians (Ingermanland) 6.17
18 Russian (SouthRussia) 6.26
19 Ukrainians_north (NorthUkraine) 6.45
20 Russian_cossack (Kuban) 6.55

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Quechua (NA) @ 1.38
2 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Colla (NA) @ 1.38
3 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Bolivian (Cochabamba) @ 1.38
4 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Wichi (NA) @ 1.38
5 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Cachi (NA) @ 1.39
6 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Mixe (NA) @ 1.39
7 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Mixtec (NA) @ 1.39
8 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Karitiana (NA) @ 1.39
9 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Zapotec (NA) @ 1.39
10 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Surui (NA) @ 1.39
11 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Piapoco (NA) @ 1.39
12 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Pima (NA) @ 1.39
13 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Mayan (NA) @ 1.39
14 98.3% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.7% Athabask (NA) @ 1.45
15 79.4% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 20.6% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) @ 1.55
16 80.3% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 19.7% Pole (Poland) @ 1.59
17 83.7% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 16.3% Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) @ 1.62
18 89% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 11% Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) @ 1.63
19 86.6% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 13.4% Belarusian_East (EastBelarus) @ 1.64
20 97.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 2.2% Tlingit (NA) @ 1.65

Originally Posted by Bernie20

You need to post what populations you match. That is the most informative part.

Why? I always preferred the component part, which could then be compared to various populations on the table, so that you can see that this person is considerably more Mediterranean than the average Finn, but also less Siberian and more Atlantic, etc. Ideally, of course, you'd have the individual results in the table. The match tool conceals what is it exactly that comprises this or that ethnicity, so there may be plenty of Irish like yourself, but even more self-identified Irish are a bit more southern and western, so you end up showing as someone similar to an average Scot (and you really are genetically more similar to one).

[AFP]

@Bernie20

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...50191.full.pdf

His interpretation of the facts in the link below make a lot of sense to me. The Bell Beaker culture spread from what is now Portugal BTW.

https://forwhattheywereweare.blogspo...-clusters.html

[ozarknation]

Apparently I have some Portuguese as well:
MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Amerindian 27.71
2 Neolithic 20.86
3 Caucasian 12.21
4 Steppe 11.22
5 NorthEastEuropean 10.47
6 Subsaharian 7.37
7 NorthAfrican 4.98
8 NearEast 4.43


Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese_Portugal @ 31.905987
2 Swiss_Switzerland @ 32.490036
3 Tlingit_NA @ 32.955509
4 Provencal_Provence @ 33.259712
5 Spanish_Canarias @ 33.352985
6 Italian_Friul @ 33.461071
7 Austrian_Austria @ 33.504436
8 Irish_Ireland @ 33.509712
9 Spanish_Murcia @ 33.743549
10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 33.790165
11 German_SouthGermany @ 33.866898
12 Dane_Denmark @ 33.920605
13 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 33.991367
14 Jew_Belmonte @ 34.210091
15 Corsican_Corsica @ 34.220787
16 Spanish_Spain @ 34.236519
17 French_NorthwestFrance @ 34.425953
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 34.470360
19 Tatars_Tatarstan @ 34.556583
20 Moldavian_Molodva @ 34.685341

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Athabask_NA +50% Portuguese_Portugal @ 11.999330