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Old 04-15-2010, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Little Rock AR USA
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I disagree. I think there are a lot more people who think they do that don't. As stated before the much more likely scenario is someone who thinks they're pure black or Indian who in fact has some white ancestry. Social norms against interracial marriage until recently were just too strong.
Interesting thought. Perhaps I should qualify my point; If our ancestors were some of the early (1600/1700s) settlers, I stick to my opinion. However, if our ancestors came only a few generations ago, you are correct. Oh, and I wasn't aware that marriage was a requirement to have kids. Social norms or not.
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Old 04-15-2010, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Interesting thought. Perhaps I should qualify my point; If our ancestors were some of the early (1600/1700s) settlers, I stick to my opinion. However, if our ancestors came only a few generations ago, you are correct. Oh, and I wasn't aware that marriage was a requirement to have kids. Social norms or not.
Still not sure about that. First off, an interracial relationship back then would in nearly all cases have been the result of a white man having an extra-marital dalliance with an Indian or black woman. The child would then likely be raised by the mother outside the white man's family. He or she would then have been considered a member of the mother's race, and off-limits to marriage with a white partner. He/she would then have had to marry a black or Indian, with the offspring being considered by society as even more black or Indian. Sounds really objectionable now but that's how bigoted society was back then.
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Old 04-15-2010, 06:59 PM
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I disagree. I think there are a lot more people who think they do that don't. As stated before the much more likely scenario is someone who thinks they're pure black or Indian who in fact has some white ancestry. Social norms against interracial marriage until recently were just too strong.

True. Not only that but the further we go back in time the less people could move from place to place. What we call racial features are adaptations to different climates, or in other words proof of genetic connections within geographic limits.
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Old 04-15-2010, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Little Rock AR USA
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CAVA1990 & bjh, O.K.
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Old 04-16-2010, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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Ummm...I think they were more than just "dalliances;

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Old 04-16-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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Dude, my brother and I are as White physically as any other, and yet we have cards saying we are 1/256 Cherokee. I don't know if these cards prove we have that ancestry, but 1/256 is extremely insignificant and the same as 0.00390625.

I don't know why we have the cards or how. We are White Americans with a European last name.
How do they determine something like this?

I mean what constitutes "a percent of race x"?

Somehow gene splicing at conception doesn't strike me as the same as mixing paint.
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Old 04-16-2010, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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simple mathematics based on a confirmed ancestor of a certain ethnicity. the 1/256 is based on the divisions by generations: one parent= 1/2, one grandparent = 1/4 and so on. Minimal as it is , it is supposed to be based on a(or some) real persons of a certain ethnicity in the lineage.
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Old 04-17-2010, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Hawaii
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You have them because at some point someone in your family added you to the tribal rolls. If you ever get into tracing your roots--your line straight back to who ever your Cherokee ancestor was is more than likely recorded somewhere in the tribal archives. That's how they are issued, based on descent from tribal members recorded at a certain point in time. It's basically a way of recording history for the tribes.
Many Native Americans would not register to the rolls (a type of census)

It would be fortunate if it was that simple but many were rebellious and hated the government and the system it enforced.

After the Indian Removal Act when they started enforcing Native Americans to mark the rolls; many Native Americans rebelled in their own way.

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Old 04-17-2010, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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If you watched the PBS genealogy show, where they used DNA to trace the ancesrty of some people, I believe that the native Americans originally came from Asia. So on a pie chart of percentages of one's ancestry NAs would be shown on a chart as Asian.
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Old 04-17-2010, 08:29 AM
 
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If you watched the PBS genealogy show, where they used DNA to trace the ancesrty of some people, I believe that the native Americans originally came from Asia. So on a pie chart of percentages of one's ancestry NAs would be shown on a chart as Asian.
Which is why they're not "Native Americans" any more than I. They prefer to call themselves and be called "Indians" or "American Indians". "Native American" is a misguided attempt at political correctness. They really don't mind if you call them Indians.
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