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2030, 2050?? yeah right, that's if chicago's growth zero or negative...
comparing metro populations: chicago has ~9.5 mil residents and houston surprisingly has 5.8 mil... even dallas, TX has more people (6.4 mil) which is still a long way from chicago.
I doubt houston is ever going to surpass chicago's city population. i predict that those millions of surbanites near chicago will eventually move back to the city and once the cars are gone, houston will be screwed. cities in texas and south in general are very poorly planned and the public transporation options are very limited
If Chicago and DC's modest growth remain the same DC will pass Chicago in ~2030 and it has already passed Chicago's GDP. I'm pretty sure Chicago's growth rate was below the national average from 2000-2010. It's all about the metro area, nobody cares about city limit pops. Houston and Dallas are still quite a bit behind SF/Boston/DC, just a bit over halfway there for Chicago.
If Chicago and DC's modest growth remain the same DC will pass Chicago in ~2030 and it has already passed Chicago's GDP. I'm pretty sure Chicago's growth rate was below the national average from 2000-2010. It's all about the metro area, nobody cares about city limit pops. Houston and Dallas are still quite a bit behind SF/Boston/DC, just a bit over halfway there for Chicago.
well hopefully the recession will end soon and then I'm sure texas growth will slow down while chicago's growth may go up a bit.
chicago is one of the best cities in the united states and i'm sure many of new graduates/young people looking to make it big in a world class city will settle into chicago (texas is not that appealing...)
anyways, looking in long term, chicago may be better prepared for the future.
as far as I know, public transporation in houston and texas in general is horrible and seeing what the urban sprawl has done to houston, it may be hard to fix that in the future when gas is priced at $8/gallon... you will see, then the people will flee back to the old cities with sufficient infastructure such as ny, pa, chicago..
well hopefully the recession will end soon and then I'm sure texas growth will slow down while chicago's growth may go up a bit.
Umm, Chicago lost more population than any other U.S. city in the last 10 years. Even Detroit lost less.
Now it just added the biggest tax increase in U.S. history, they're losing their superstar mayor, and the housing market was the nation's worst in 2010.
They also lost the Olympics, the city budget has the nation's largest municipal deficit, and they basically sold off every a available piece of city property (parking meters, tollways, etc.)
Outside of mindless homerism, why on earth would someone predict near-term population growth in Chicago?
And Texas isn't appealing to young people? Is this a comedy routine? Texas is a HUGE center for young folks; much moreso than Illinois.
Umm, Chicago lost more population than any other U.S. city in the last 10 years. Even Detroit lost less.
Now it just added the biggest tax increase in U.S. history, they're losing their superstar mayor, and the housing market was the nation's worst in 2010.
They also lost the Olympics, the city budget has the nation's largest municipal deficit, and they basically sold off every a available piece of city property (parking meters, tollways, etc.)
Outside of mindless homerism, why on earth would someone predict near-term population growth in Chicago?
And Texas isn't appealing to young people? Is this a comedy routine? Texas is a HUGE center for young folks; much moreso than Illinois.
wow. and people bash LA for some of the same reasons
If Chicago and DC's modest growth remain the same DC will pass Chicago in ~2030 and it has already passed Chicago's GDP. I'm pretty sure Chicago's growth rate was below the national average from 2000-2010. It's all about the metro area, nobody cares about city limit pops. Houston and Dallas are still quite a bit behind SF/Boston/DC, just a bit over halfway there for Chicago.
What are you talking about?? you are not usually so off the ball.
Both Houston and Dallas are ahead of SF, Boston and DC.
Unless you are confusing MSA with CSA.
Houston is at 6.1M
DFW is at 6.6M
DC is only at 5.5M
Boston is even a million less at 4.5M
and SF is way back at 4.3M
In 2020
Houston should be at 7.9M (Major pickup predicted with the Panama Canal expansion)
DFW should be at 8.3M (major slowdown predicted in the 20's)
Chicago should be at 9.9M
Boston should be at 4.8M
In 2030
Houston should be at 10M
DFW should be at 8.5M
Chicago should be at 10.2M
Boston should be at 5.2M
What are you talking about?? you are not usually so off the ball.
Both Houston and Dallas are ahead of SF, Boston and DC.
Unless you are confusing MSA with CSA.
Houston is at 6.1M
DFW is at 6.6M
DC is only at 5.5M
Boston is even a million less at 4.5M
and SF is way back at 4.3M
In 2020
Houston should be at 7.9M (Major pickup predicted with the Panama Canal expansion)
DFW should be at 8.3M (major slowdown predicted in the 20's)
Chicago should be at 9.9M
Boston should be at 4.8M
In 2030
Houston should be at 10M
DFW should be at 8.5M
Chicago should be at 10.2M
Boston should be at 5.2M
I'm referring to CSA. It's hard to deny Silicon Valley sitting right next to SF for example or the Bay Area dev in general, then have many Dallas corps in the same breath be out in the burbs too in Plano for example.
The 4 5 6 slots are
4 Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA 8,440,617
5 Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA 7,609,358
6 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 7,427,757
But the difference is that LA is growing and Chicago is shrinking.
And if Chicago is shrinking, and Houston is growing (very quickly), then (assuming the trends continue) Houston will eventually surpass Chicago.
Let's wait for the OFFICIAL 2010 Census to reveal the true figures later this year.....something tells me Chicago didn't shrink that much, even considering the flight of the middle/lower-middle class to the suburbs.
What are you talking about?? you are not usually so off the ball.
Both Houston and Dallas are ahead of SF, Boston and DC.
Unless you are confusing MSA with CSA.
Houston is at 6.1M
DFW is at 6.6M
DC is only at 5.5M
Boston is even a million less at 4.5M
and SF is way back at 4.3M
In 2020
Houston should be at 7.9M (Major pickup predicted with the Panama Canal expansion)
DFW should be at 8.3M (major slowdown predicted in the 20's)
Chicago should be at 9.9M
Boston should be at 4.8M
In 2030
Houston should be at 10M
DFW should be at 8.5M
Chicago should be at 10.2M
Boston should be at 5.2M
either way you must have been tired or something cause you mentioned MSA.
And neither Houston or Chicago has much of a CSA anyway.
And even still Boston and SF have slow growing CSA's
I don't like estimating CSA's because it is the newest demographic tool so it has the least history to go on and it has the weakest interaction.
When SF combines with SJ and DC with Baltimore, we will talk.
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