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You don't count MSAs because Chicago's continues to grow? You don't like the idea of areas adding land? Surely an MSA growing in population by adding counties due to strengthening commuting ties is the same or in fact more valid a concept than Sunbelt cities annexing masses of land to increase it's population.
I am just saying that Chicago's metro is still growing and I don't think is going to be overtaken at any point soon. It still has 3 million more than Dallas'. Let's not forget, that Milwaukke is right by Chicago, and those MSA's are getting closer, and closer, closer to touching each other, and it wouldn't surprise me if at one point they merge which would add an additional 2 million people to that MSA.
DFW is gonna easily catch up to Chicago. The area is growing so rapidly and when they redefine the MSAs next year DFW is looking to add counties. That will narrow the 3M even quicker The Counties that DFW lost at the last redefinition is sure to come back.
Hood, Hill and Erath Micropolitan areas add 150K
Corell adds 75K, Mcllenan adds 235K, Bell adds 310K
Add to that the 1.5M that DFW will be gaining in a few years and you will see that DFW will be passed 9M VERY soon.
I am just saying that Chicago's metro is still growing and I don't think is going to be overtaken at any point soon. It still has 3 million more than Dallas'. Let's not forget, that Milwaukke is right by Chicago, and those MSA's are getting closer, and closer, closer to touching each other, and it wouldn't surprise me if at one point they merge which would add an additional 2 million people to that MSA.
Oh sorry, I thought you were saying you don't use MSA numbers and prefer to use City propers. My bad.
Look at San Francisco. It's a smaller city than Indianapolis and Jacksonville! But it's in a class of cities that Indy and Jacksonville will never reach IMO. Size doesn't really matter too much, it's about style, prominence and doing important things.
Population of city proper doesn't matter. Even the MSA doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is CSA, which Chicago crushes both cities and there is no way for them to support the population they need to catch Chicago. On top of that, Chicago is the hub for the bi-national Great Lakes Megalopolis of 50 milliion+ people. Even if DFW and Greater Houston surpass Chicago MSA and CSA population, the regional importance of Chicago and its location while help it remain a very important city.
goin down? lol chicago is established and not goin away or down or dissapeaaring as much as others would like anytime soon. if anything those aforementioned metro areas claiming growth, they are merely joining us where weve been at for some time. to check that growth, the economy and its unstability in the usa and worldwide means growth will inevitably plateau. this is true of any metro area growing at an accelerated rate...
but so what then if houston or dallas joins chicago as one of the top tier cities in the us? if theres any impact felt, it'd be felt outside the us as America gets stronger and smarter as we make good on our mistakes, realize what doesnt work, concentrate more on our strengths, respective to each city.... i have nothing but mutual respect for those in other communities striving to make their home a better place to live in. after all thats the overall idea right? - general perpetual improvement...
again population numbers are just something to brag about, like a buddy of mine at the bar spittin out stats over and over when we talk about sports... i dont even like it when other chicagoans go beatin others over the head " well youll never have a downtown like ours!" or "your city will never have a taller better skyline than us..." blah blah blah... but know this, ascending to the level of a major metro commanding an entire region has its problems, big and small that contribute to slowing growth.
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