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View Poll Results: Will 15 Penn steal the ESB's thunder?
Yes, it shouldn't be built 4 16.00%
No, it should be built 13 52.00%
Yes, it should be built anyway 7 28.00%
No, it shouldn't be built anyway 5 20.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-29-2010, 03:02 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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They should build this thing!

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Originally Posted by TANaples View Post
It's too close to the ESB and it's ugly looking. I think the city should be spending money where it really needs it, like education.
What are you a hippie?

Okay look, America needs projects like this in my opinion, we're a skyscraper nation, we invented it, we glorified it, we build these mofos.

What you're saying is so illogical. How can the "city" put that money to use like education, when its not the "city" thats funding it. You realize that skyscrapers are privately funded, by developers right? What they do with their money is their business not yours and not some environmentalists.
You want people telling you to donate your money to schools and stuff, then do it, but don't emphasize where private people should be putting their money. If it was the city of New York that was funding it then fine your argument stands but New York City has no financial links to this for the majority of the part.

Another thing, it isn't ugly looking, thats an opinion.
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Old 08-29-2010, 03:40 PM
 
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They should build this thing!



What are you a hippie?

Okay look, America needs projects like this in my opinion, we're a skyscraper nation, we invented it, we glorified it, we build these mofos.

What you're saying is so illogical. How can the "city" put that money to use like education, when its not the "city" thats funding it. You realize that skyscrapers are privately funded, by developers right? What they do with their money is their business not yours and not some environmentalists.
You want people telling you to donate your money to schools and stuff, then do it, but don't emphasize where private people should be putting their money. If it was the city of New York that was funding it then fine your argument stands but New York City has no financial links to this for the majority of the part.

Another thing, it isn't ugly looking, thats an opinion.
We'll see how many subsidies they'll get before we call it 'their' money.
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Old 08-29-2010, 06:18 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Sigh.

It looks like New York has learned NOTHING since the building of the big box skyscrapers of the 1960s and the 1970s.

If your going to put up a super-tall, make sure it has architectual merit because it is going to dominate the way people see the city. Enough of the tall plain glass boxes, those are for cities still trying to prove themselves.

The city should have made a better deal for the project. They are getting some subway improvements in exchange for letting the developer get alot more height. IMO, they were way too generous and gave away the store on this one. Way too big, but also they should have made sure the developer fit the building in better with the existing city.

This is not Kuala Lumpur. We don't need this supertall building to prove ourselves or something.

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