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It's a well-known fact that most of the South is not majority German. Your Your grandfather may have been an exception, but Charleston is of historically English settlement. Also, by that map's definition, much of Illinois and Indiana can't be considered Midwestern either. Almost 50% of Indiana and Missouri. Here is a better dialect map. That classifies regions using multiple phrases, not just one. Little Dixie's name is historic. It has no meaning today.
Actually Indiana was one of the biggest Klan states. My mom is in her 60s so she lived thru the civil rights bs that went on and said when she was small living Stl stl her and my grandma had to ride the bus because my grandma never drived. She said the blacks would sit in the back when a white person got on. My mom was small and couldn't figure it out until my grandma told her.
In MO whites by law were not allowed to marry blacks. Also blacks couldnt adopt white babies.
It's ironic but school segregation was mandated in the constitution in Missouri until 1976. Of course none of the districts followed it because of the Supreme Court decision.
when it was put on the ballot to repeal it in 1976, 42 percent of Missourian's voted to keep the school segregation in the constiution. So a lot of people in MO at the time still thought it was a good idea.
btw the Freedom riders took a trip in Missouri too. When they got to Scott County is when the problems started. They went into the white waiting area at a bus station in Sikeston, and the Sheriff had a bunch of them arrested for disorderly conduct.
School segregation for the most part was smooth in MO, OK, KY and WV, MD and even TX. The larger resistance was in states like GA, SC, MS, AL, and AR.
Most don't know it but the question of school segregation actually started in the 1930s at Mizzou when a black guy wanted to get into the law school and was denied. The MO Supreme Court ruled that Mizzou has the right to deny, but the state had to supply seperate but equal school. I recall the MO lawmakers set up a special funding for such schools, but the way the law was written there was no fund for the money to go into.
School desegregation wasn't some bloodshed, and war like the liberals made it out to be. For the most part it went smooth in the upper south states. It was a few deep south states were there was more conflict.
I went to grade school in STL in the 60s, it was never segregated.
Neither was the school where my sister attended high school in STL in the 60s.
For that matter, the schools in Poplar Bluff werent segregated either, nor the outlying schools in the rural districts, and I am speaking of the 60s again.
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Lived in the midwest practically my whole life and I can tell the differences between what is traditional midwest and what is not midwest.
So have I, and I happen to know that the Midwest isn't entirely defined by the Great Lakes or by Chicago, or even by flat farmland. The Midwest is just as varied as the South. The South is not limited to the 11 Confederate states that seceded. And in fact, the Western Midwest (KS, NE, SD, ND) is different from the Upper Midwest (MN, WI, MI), which is different from the Central Midwest (IA, northern illinois, northern indiana) which is different from the Lower Midwest (rest of Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Missouri). Just like the Upper South (VA, KY, and WV) is different from the mid-South (NC, TN, AR), Deep South (LA, AL, MS, GA, SC, FL although that's kind of carribean south too) and Western South (OK, TX). So to say one place in the Midwest speaks for all is truly ridiculous. Oklahoma has never been considered Midwestern. It is a culturally southern state in the Great Plains. Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, and North Dakota are culturally Midwestern. You're really quick to classify things instead of looking at the broader picture. Other than topography, Oklahoma has nothing in common with its neighbors to the north.
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I thought Charleston SC had a lot of French Influence?
The blue line in southern MO is too far south. By about 50 miles.
I only pay attention to the phonological atlas. That is still the rough pattern used in most cases to define dialect today. Look it up on google and you will find that roughly all dialect maps follow the line of the phonological atlas.
I thought Charleston SC had a lot of French Influence?
The blue line in southern MO is too far south. By about 50 miles.
The French tried, and failed, to found a settlement on Parris Island.
Charleston was founded by the English. Charleston History
And no, that blue line on the map is right where its supposed to be.
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Why? what are you basing your information?
Western PA has a lot of ties to the MIDWEST
ND SD KS NE OKLAHOMA SHOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE MIDWEST
AND JUST BE PLAINS STATES
I can justify Michigan because of social ties along with Wisconsin and Minnesota
So far, you've had yet to give any real reasons for your case yourself. Btw, Oklahoma is already considered outside of the midwest. And it is not just a plains state. It culturally identifies with the south, as do its residents. Try telling the residents of all those states what they are and aren't because you say so.The University of North Carolina did a pretty good job through surveys. The simple truth of the matter is that Western Pennsylvania and Western New York are influenced by both the Northeast and Midwest.
I went to grade school in STL in the 60s, it was never segregated.
Neither was the school where my sister attended high school in STL in the 60s.
For that matter, the schools in Poplar Bluff werent segregated either, nor the outlying schools in the rural districts, and I am speaking of the 60s again.
Stl desegregated in the 1950s when the Supreme Court order schools too.
I do recall in the 60s in the bootheel there was some districts acting slow on desegregation.
I only pay attention to the phonological atlas. That is still the rough pattern used in most cases to define dialect today. Look it up on google and you will find that roughly all dialect maps follow the line of the phonological atlas.
Then thats more accurate. Only area is they dont have scott county covered on that map. SO maybe 15 miles north on that area. Otherwise its okay.
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