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View Poll Results: Are the Great Plains part of the Midwest?
Yes, the Plains are Midwestern 20 32.79%
No, they are a distinct region 30 49.18%
No, they are part of the West 6 9.84%
Other 5 8.20%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-05-2019, 01:47 PM
 
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I would say in terms of Midwestern metro areas, Kansas City and Columbus have more of a Sunbelt-type built up environment and layout. I hear Omaha is like that too, and Oklahoma City is similar to this, vs the older, denser Midwestern cities like Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit and St. Louis. I think the Midwestern cities that are in the Great Plain have a more open feel in this manner too.

Kansas City’s built environment is like a mini-Detroit. It doesn’t look a thing like Dallas or Houston or Pheonix or Nashville or anywhere in the sunbelt.
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Old 06-05-2019, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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Kansas City’s built environment is like a mini-Detroit. It doesn’t look a thing like Dallas or Houston or Pheonix or Nashville or anywhere in the sunbelt.
I don't see the Detroit comparison. I still say KC has very much of a plains/river valley feel. Like I said earlier, KC = Minneapolis meets Dallas. It even kinds of makes since from a geographic perspective.

Kansas City doesn't even have alleys.

Kansas City

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0470...7i13312!8i6656

Minneapolis

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9385...7i13312!8i6656

Dallas

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7528...7i16384!8i8192

Detroit

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3281...7i16384!8i8192

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Old 06-05-2019, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The Great Plains are a subregion included in, but not limited to, the Midwest. It is similar to how Appalachia runs through both the North and South. For example, Nebraska is both Great Plains and Midwestern, whereas Oklahoma is both Great Plains and Southern.
Very true. The Great Lakes region also includes not only the Midwest, but also the Northeast (Erie, PA, and a decent amount of western NY, including Buffalo and Niagara Falls).
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Old 06-05-2019, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Obviously, this map shows there's PLENTY of regional overlap within lots of sub-regions.
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Old 06-05-2019, 07:36 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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I have a few minor nit-picking complaints about the map ^^^ but mostly I think it is pretty accurate. The labels (midwest, northeast, south, west) are simply bureaucratic categories with little attention to actual characteristics or culture. There is nothing magical or limiting about state lines or bureaucratic lines created for governmental convenience.

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Old 06-07-2019, 04:00 PM
 
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I don't see the Detroit comparison. I still say KC has very much of a plains/river valley feel. Like I said earlier, KC = Minneapolis meets Dallas. It even kinds of makes since from a geographic perspective.

Kansas City doesn't even have alleys.

Kansas City

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0470...7i13312!8i6656

Minneapolis

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9385...7i13312!8i6656

Dallas

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7528...7i16384!8i8192

Detroit

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3281...7i16384!8i8192

Yeah and no...


Many of the streets between the Missouri River and 31st Street, especially east of downtown (where few tourists go) actually do have alleys as that area comprised the bulk of the city until around 1900 or so:

Downtown/Crossroads:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0918...7i13312!8i6656


Westside:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0876...7i16384!8i8192


Northeast KCMO about four miles from downtown:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1091...7i13312!8i6656



East side KCMO where most tourists/visitors don't go (3-4 miles EAST of downtown):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0767...7i16384!8i8192


As I and other posters are stating: There are far more parts of KC that look like Chicago, Detroit, and MSP than parts of Dallas or Fort Worth that look like KC.


Yes, Outer city KCMO (and KCK) looks like much of inner city Dallas, and JoCo looks like most of the rest of the Metroplex, but find me the Dallas analogues to

Sheffield:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1046...7i16384!8i8192

Northeast:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1023...7i16384!8i8192

Midtown:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0492...7i16384!8i8192

East Side:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0605...7i16384!8i8192

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Old 06-08-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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E. W. N. S .



Ok
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Old 06-08-2019, 03:20 PM
 
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Michigan/Great Lakes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9q68xCRzXE&t=140s

Illinois/Heartland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVznmQssEBc

Kansas/Great Plains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XBH9Zo3xGg
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Old 06-09-2019, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Boilermaker Territory
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Originally Posted by 2000_Watts View Post
Yeah and no...


Many of the streets between the Missouri River and 31st Street, especially east of downtown (where few tourists go) actually do have alleys as that area comprised the bulk of the city until around 1900 or so:

Downtown/Crossroads:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0918...7i13312!8i6656


Westside:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0876...7i16384!8i8192


Northeast KCMO about four miles from downtown:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1091...7i13312!8i6656



East side KCMO where most tourists/visitors don't go (3-4 miles EAST of downtown):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0767...7i16384!8i8192


As I and other posters are stating: There are far more parts of KC that look like Chicago, Detroit, and MSP than parts of Dallas or Fort Worth that look like KC.


Yes, Outer city KCMO (and KCK) looks like much of inner city Dallas, and JoCo looks like most of the rest of the Metroplex, but find me the Dallas analogues to

Sheffield:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1046...7i16384!8i8192

Northeast:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1023...7i16384!8i8192

Midtown:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0492...7i16384!8i8192

East Side:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0605...7i16384!8i8192
JOCO inside 435 certainly does not look like the metroplex. The JOCO obsession to be like the Sunbelt for some reason has been going on for the last 25 years for the most part. Most of the newer upscale developments there often feel very forced and fake as they don’t match the region as a whole very well.
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