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Which happens to be south of the entirety of Delaware. That happens to be where I consider the true south to start. South of Delaware.
And, $mk8795, Delaware is right next to New Jersey. I doubt it's THAT similar to North Carolina...
The Delaware border in parts is North of southern most PS not to mention about 15 miles from Philadelphia. Cape May NJ is as far South as DC. But DE changes significantly below Christianna though...
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The Delaware border in parts is North of southern most PS not to mention about 15 miles from Philadelphia. Cape May NJ is as far South as DC. But DE changes significantly below Christianna though...
All I gotta say is take a trip to Dover(they have a nice casino), Delaware from the DC/Baltimore area, you will find that parts of Delaware resembles rural Virgina and rural North Carolina.....
There are parts of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois that resemble the south, but that doesn't make them southern.
I'd say below the C&D Canal; that's where you frequently see people say where "lower & slower Delaware" begins. There is also a road where I-95 crosses into Delaware called "Dixie Line Road". And, they have NASCAR in Dover!
But when I hear say that such an urban region isn't "southern", it's just that they refuse to accept being a "new southerner" in the New South. Atlanta, NoVA, the Piedmont Crescent, Dallas, Houston, Birmingham, Nashville to a degree, Tampa, Orlando; that's all "New South" to me. And NASCAR is definately part of the "new South" culture. New Southerners only consider the "old south" areas southern, and they generally refuse to appreciate old southern history.
But still, the Mason-Dixon line divides the North from both the Old & New Souths!
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I'd say below the C&D Canal; that's where you frequently see people say where "lower & slower Delaware" begins. There is also a road where I-95 crosses into Delaware called "Dixie Line Road". And, they have NASCAR in Dover!
But when I hear say that such an urban region isn't "southern", it's just that they refuse to accept being a "new southerner" in the New South. Atlanta, NoVA, the Piedmont Crescent, Dallas, Houston, Birmingham, Nashville to a degree, Tampa, Orlando; that's all "New South" to me. And NASCAR is definately part of the "new South" culture. New Southerners only consider the "old south" areas southern, and they generally refuse to appreciate old southern history.
But still, the Mason-Dixon line divides the North from both the Old & New Souths!
Uhm... NASCAR culture is NOT strictly southern.
There are NASCAR tracks in New York and New Hampshire. There is of course Indianapolis as well. And believe you me, the rednecks, hillbillies, and general country folk of the north LOVE NASCAR as well.
I know some folks from NY and PA who chase it all over the country.
The Mason Dixon Line is the Pennsylvania/Maryland border. Not every place in the South is stereotypical southern. Not every place in the North is stereotypically Northern.
Maryland, Florida, etc. are still southern states even though much of the southern culture has been diluted. Pennsylvania, New York, etc. are still northern states even though there are places in the middle of Pennsylvania and Upstate New York where you would think you were in Alabama.
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The Mason Dixon Line is the Pennsylvania/Maryland border. Not every place in the South is stereotypical southern. Not every place in the North is stereotypically Northern.
Maryland, Florida, etc. are still southern states even though much of the southern culture has been diluted. Pennsylvania, New York, etc. are still northern states even though there are places in the middle of Pennsylvania and Upstate New York where you would think you were in Alabama.
The thing about Maryland and Delaware to me though, is not so much the culture as the actual location. The Mason Dixon is too far north in my opinion. I believe the true boundary would be a line drawn from Delaware's southern border to the Ohio river.
Maryland, Florida, etc. are still southern states even though much of the southern culture has been diluted.
I think of this as a strict vs. loose argument. To a lot of people (including me), Maryland is in the North because of its modern connections to the Northeast, geographically, socially, and economically. I think of the north as "inclusive" (at least if it makes sense, saying FL is part of the North is dumb) and the south as "exclusive." That's the loose argument.
The strict argument is the South is the South is the South, no matter what the historical changes are. Both are valid opinions as far as I'm concerned.
To me, the true border today is somewhere between DC and Richmond, going up and including parts of Southern Maryland. I wouldn't include any of southern Delaware, that's honestly Dupont territory more than anything else haha.
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