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Michigan is definitely like the Northeast. I've lived in Michigan and the Plains, and MI is certainly "back east." It's very much like Western New York in culture, look and layout. It's even in the Eastern Time Zone with places like Pittsburgh and Buffalo.
As for Minnesota, it's very much a split state. There are parts that seem very much like the Great Lakes region, and other parts have more in common with the Northern Plains (think North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska) than the Lakes region. I keep having to explain to out-of-towners that I live in the Plains, not the Northwoods, Great Lakes or Eastern Midwest. Maybe I should just start saying I live in South Dakota and have a Minnesota address, because where I live may as well be in SD.
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It's a bit of a silly argument. Yes, Texas, California, and Florida grow vegetables and animals because that's where the money is. The ability to grow vegetables in what is wintertime in the northern hemisphere and being a politically stable area is a lot rarer than the conditions needed to grow grain crops.
Corn grows just fine in Dixie, and you'd see production shifted from soybeans, peanuts, and cotton into corn in those states.
More importantly though your plan to withhold grain makes about as much sense as some anti-American regime in the middle east deciding to hold its oil off the market to hurt the US. As the producer of a commodity you can sell or not. If you choose to sell even if you choose not to sell to the US it'll still have cheap grain prices. If you try to hold your grain off the market or slap a huge export tax on it your country's agriculture industry will wither while in two or three years the supply will be replaced.
Beyond that the CSA did in the same thing you're proposing with cotton in the 1860s to try to get British and French mill owners to demand their governments support independence for the CSA, and the end result were that the British and French discovered you could cotton just fine in Egypt and India.
I don't think you know what you're talking about....I never mentioned withholding anything. Somebody else mentioned that the Midwest isn't important because those crops can grow anywhere. You're essentially repeating the same argument I gave for not separating the Midwest from the rest of the nation!
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There is nothing special about Minneapolis, it is known to have one of the highest crime rates and often refered to as Murderapolis... and I've always thought the city was so much similar to Detroit ( still do) but just not as bad.
How's the provincial life treating ya? It's obvious that you don't know what you're talking about, but nice try!
The Great Lake States are the most important states in your entire country in terms of resources required to survive. The Great Lakes encompass 70% of the earth's fresh water. These lakes provide clean drinking water for your entire country (from LA to Houston to Miami). That's all that needs to be said. Ontario and Michigan are going to thrive and become very rich when fresh water supplies begin to dwindle throughout much of the undeveloped world. Don't under-estimate fresh water people... you need it to live!
Michigan is definitely like the Northeast. I've lived in Michigan and the Plains, and MI is certainly "back east." It's very much like Western New York in culture, look and layout. It's even in the Eastern Time Zone with places like Pittsburgh and Buffalo.
Michigan is NOTHING like the vast majority of the Northeast. I've lived in Michigan and the Northeast both. While MI and western/upstate NY is close, MI is nothing like the rest of the Northeast: Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Mass, Rhode Island and Conn are vastly different. Been there, done that for close to 20 years (also 20+ years in Michigan); big difference.
The Great Lake States are the most important states in your entire country in terms of resources required to survive. The Great Lakes encompass 70% of the earth's fresh water. These lakes provide clean drinking water for your entire country (from LA to Houston to Miami). That's all that needs to be said. Ontario and Michigan are going to thrive and become very rich when fresh water supplies begin to dwindle throughout much of the undeveloped world. Don't under-estimate fresh water people... you need it to live!
Zuh? LA, Miami and Houston don't get so much as a single drop of freshwater from the Great Lakes. Heck, most of the states bordering the lakes don't use them as a primary source of fresh water.
Miami and LA will go to desalination long before they start trucking in water from two thousand miles away.
Zuh? LA, Miami and Houston don't get so much as a single drop of freshwater from the Great Lakes. Heck, most of the states bordering the lakes don't use them as a primary source of fresh water.
Miami and LA will go to desalination long before they start trucking in water from two thousand miles away.
Houston must have a hell of a lot of wells to not be asking for some of that great lake's stuff.
They're asking, but not getting. The only Great Lakes water they would be getting is in little bottles of Bottled water, and that is strictly regulated.
Did you even read the link you posted? If you did you would have noticed the line quoted below. In order for ANY water to be sold from the Great Lakes it has to be approved by the members of the pact, including the Canadian Provinces that are included.
So exactly who is talking out their ass?
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Eight states surrounding the Great Lakes are trying to hold on to what they have. They signed a pact banning the export of water to outsiders, even other U.S. states.
Houston must have a hell of a lot of wells to not be asking for some of that great lake's stuff.
You claimed above that everyone from LA to Houston to Miami is already being provided water from the Great Lakes which is a steaming load. Not one of those places gets a drop of water from the Great Lakes. Reread your own post.
There has been banter and posturing among the states over getting water from the Great Lakes to California since the turn of the last century and here we sit.
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