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Families are still moving to the suburbs. For every young hipster that moves into the city core, a newly married couple that is having kids is packing up and moving to the suburbs. As much as these married couples might want to stay in city life, the need for quality public schools (private in urban areas can be SO expensive) pushes families into the suburbs. Do the math: +1 single hipster in a condo downtown. -3 for a married couple and new baby moving to suburb. Then a city will post a population loss, but the metro will gain.
Families are still moving to the suburbs. For every young hipster that moves into the city core, a newly married couple that is having kids is packing up and moving to the suburbs. As much as these married couples might want to stay in city life, the need for quality public schools (private in urban areas can be SO expensive) pushes families into the suburbs. Do the math: +1 single hipster in a condo downtown. -3 for a married couple and new baby moving to suburb. Then a city will post a population loss, but the metro will gain.
and 90% of hipsters will eventually grow up and move to the burbs.
I have many friends that were once urban Hippies and Punks (and a few older beatnicks and folkies) that are now living in smaller communities and the burbs.
"hipsters" are an odd lot, though. Lots of scenesters and not a lot of activism or creativity coming out of them.
the population losses in older midwest cities should not be taken at face value. in st. louis, for instance, many multi-family buildings are rehabbed with fewer units and have smaller households occupying them, thereby reducing population density. it doesn't necessarily mean there is widespread abandonment.
The same thing WILL happen to the sunbelt cities once they completely fill in their city centers. Most places that are fully developed don't tend to increase in population anymore, except in some instances like NYC where demand to be in the core is so high. The more substantial losses in Chicago and St. Louis probably have a lot to do with politics and socio-economics. The older, run-down areas of older cities in the Midwest/Northeast just aren't desireable places to be anymore, and the cost to rebuild them far exceeds the return one would get, so people abandon areas.
Because they're monolithic and anti-business.But look at : Indiana and South Dakota are become pro-business, now they grow again Michigan is on the right way with Snyder : -60% in taxes for businesses
Yea, you really have to break it down city by city. There is no one blanket reason why it is happening.
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Originally Posted by coo77
Families are still moving to the suburbs.
That is a big part of Cleveland's "problem".
Cleveland lost like 9% or something? Meanwhile a once sleepy tiny little suburb in the county next door broke ground on a huge retail center. They tore down and rebuilt every school in the subrub. Nice bright shiny brand new schools. And taxes are cheaper in that county.
So CLE lost 9%... and Avon/Avon Lake gained 7%. Hmmmm. Doesn't take a PHD to figure out what's going on here.
Not to even mention a few years ago the state ruled the Cleveland can no longer require city employees to live in the city limits. The exodus hasn't been HUGE of city employees, but it has started.
If you look on any of these city data sites- particularly in the Western and Southern cities- I swear like 75% of the people posting wanting to move to those places are from Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and other Midwestern cities. I hardly ever hear of anyone wanting to move to the Midwest- with perhaps the exception being Chicago simply because its so large and renown.
If you look on any of these city data sites- particularly in the Western and Southern cities- I swear like 75% of the people posting wanting to move to those places are from Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and other Midwestern cities. I hardly ever hear of anyone wanting to move to the Midwest- with perhaps the exception being Chicago simply because its so large and renown.
It's a bit of a fantasy and some way off, but a couple of areas in the midwest are on my list for possibly moving to. Ohio (probably not a big city, but maybe Columbus), Pittsburgh, Minneapolis.
A number of reasons: lack of jobs, higher taxes (although those fleeing to the suburbs often find even higher taxes) compared to most places in the Sun Belt, & weather. As silverbox noted, just looking at City-data forums, seemingly everyone is asking about moving from northeast/midwest to the south or west while very few people ever ask questions about making the opposite move (unless they have roots in those places). I know when we moved 3 1/2 years ago from NE Ohio to Columbia, the moving companies we talked too all told us that it's no problem getting a truck moving from the south to north, but you had to schedule your specific time and stick to it moving from the north to the south b/c there was such a higher demand.
A number of reasons: lack of jobs, higher taxes (although those fleeing to the suburbs often find even higher taxes) compared to most places in the Sun Belt, & weather. As silverbox noted, just looking at City-data forums, seemingly everyone is asking about moving from northeast/midwest to the south or west while very few people ever ask questions about making the opposite move (unless they have roots in those places). I know when we moved 3 1/2 years ago from NE Ohio to Columbia, the moving companies we talked too all told us that it's no problem getting a truck moving from the south to north, but you had to schedule your specific time and stick to it moving from the north to the south b/c there was such a higher demand.
I wouldn't question what the removals guys said, but city-data ain't exactly a decent cross-section of the population.
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Michigan is on the right way with Snyder : -60% in taxes for businesses 
