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Old 11-30-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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I know this, but the problem arises with your assumptions.

This is taking summary statistics and inferring. No one is saying that the NE has quite a bit of wealth, but it doesn't mean that someone is more likely to be wealthy in the NE. The probability of being wealthy is different than the ability to be wealthy.

I think it's generally accepted that one can be wealthy anywhere. Where I sit now, in the South, I can walk to Bill Murray's house in one of the top 50 wealthy zip codes in the US. Heck, Darius Rucker just drove past the building (not literally, but he does live down the street).

It's also ignoring the whole Reconstruction thing. The civil rights act was certainly a great deal, but it also essentially screwed every Southern county in terms of tax districts (schools are all county organized, not town or municipality). Many don't realize that these laws, as helpful as they were upon creation, are still on the books in their original form.

But like I highlighted before, the differences are evaporating. More people working remote, websites like City-Data to calm nerves about moving across the country, video streaming to keep in touch, etc.. The South's population isn't growing because people are valuing education any less...
Yeah the south is growing mainly because it's the cheapest region in this country......but okay.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Oh gosh lol. Alabama is about the poorest state in the country if not Mississippi or Missouri and neither is Maine below Alabama or is Vermont below Louisiana? You have your facts all wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...tes_by_income#

The northeast is very well dark blue while the south is very much light blue. Oh wow though can't believe you said Maine is below Alabama. Made my day though thanks for the laugh.
the thread topic is white affluence comparing the north and southern states. All of my examples are correct. Again, why is ALABAMA affluence higher than Maine, Virginia higher than NY, Texas higher than Illinois, Georgia higher than Pennsylvania, and Louisiana higher than Vermont and Michigan???


By the way, the highest affluence state for whites is a state where slaves were allowed even after the Emancipation Proclamation and how did the lowest affluence state, West Virginia, become a Southern state when they left Virginia because they didn't support slavery?


Maryland 82,846
New Jersey 82,182
Alaska 80,656
Connecticut 78,959
Massachusetts 75,598
California 73,017
Virginia 70,878
Hawaii 70,259
New York 68,283
Colorado 67,360
New Hampshire 67,318
Texas 65,786
Delaware 65,361
Minnesota 64,824
Illinois 64,349
Utah 63,994
Washington 63,519
North Dakota 61,864
Rhode Island 61,406
Wyoming 60,360
Georgia 57,555
Pennsylvania 57,540
Nevada 56,514
Wisconsin 56,083
Kansas 56,010
Nebraska 55,976
Arizona 55,321
Iowa 55,243
Louisiana 54,940
Vermont 54,640
Michigan 53,496
New Mexico 53,422
South Dakota 53,187
Oregon 52,915
Ohio 52,815
North Carolina 52,759
South Carolina 52,356
Florida 52,321
Indiana 52,105
Oklahoma 51,525
Missouri 51,383
Alabama 50,076
Maine 50,041
Idaho 49,536
Mississippi 48,844
Tennessee 48,218
Montana 48,005
Arkansas 45,456
Kentucky 45,179
West Virginia 41,673
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:50 PM
 
Location: North Charleston, SC
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Yeah the south is growing mainly because it's the cheapest region in this country......but okay.
Another blanket statement.

"Cheapest" versus the growth of "Right to Work" politics.

"Cheapest" versus tax incentives.

"Cheapest" versus favorable political climates.

There is a very detailed situation going on and I find it very interesting.

Forbes Welcome

Not everything is as simple as a joke about a Southerner's education from an episode of Seinfeld.

I find the internet as a key thing in allowing this growth, but seeing as you identify more as a Northerner, you may find the coming strain on NE economies more relevant. How does Cuomo expect to fund $15/hour with dwindling tax revenues? More legal threats from his buddy Eric? As the population shifts, so does representation.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:58 PM
 
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the thread topic is white affluence comparing the north and southern states. All of my examples are correct. Again, why is ALABAMA affluence higher than Maine, Virginia higher than NY, Texas higher than Illinois, Georgia higher than Pennsylvania, and Louisiana higher than Vermont and Michigan???


By the way, the highest affluence state for whites is a state where slaves were allowed even after the Emancipation Proclamation and how did the lowest affluence state, West Virginia, become a Southern state when they left Virginia because they didn't support slavery?


Maryland 82,846
New Jersey 82,182
Alaska 80,656
Connecticut 78,959
Massachusetts 75,598
California 73,017
Virginia 70,878
Hawaii 70,259
New York 68,283
Colorado 67,360
New Hampshire 67,318
Texas 65,786
Delaware 65,361
Minnesota 64,824
Illinois 64,349
Utah 63,994
Washington 63,519
North Dakota 61,864
Rhode Island 61,406
Wyoming 60,360
Georgia 57,555
Pennsylvania 57,540
Nevada 56,514
Wisconsin 56,083
Kansas 56,010
Nebraska 55,976
Arizona 55,321
Iowa 55,243
Louisiana 54,940
Vermont 54,640
Michigan 53,496
New Mexico 53,422
South Dakota 53,187
Oregon 52,915
Ohio 52,815
North Carolina 52,759
South Carolina 52,356
Florida 52,321
Indiana 52,105
Oklahoma 51,525
Missouri 51,383
Alabama 50,076
Maine 50,041
Idaho 49,536
Mississippi 48,844
Tennessee 48,218
Montana 48,005
Arkansas 45,456
Kentucky 45,179
West Virginia 41,673
Your data is wrong try again. read? Look at the link I gave you and do your own research..... Enough said. Illinois isn't apart of the northeast and neither is Michigan. You make no sense and I'm getting a headache. The data you're even showing has mostly southern states at the bottom stop nitpicking.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Your data is wrong try again. read? Look at the link I gave you and do your own research..... Enough said. Illinois isn't apart of the northeast and neither is Michigan. You make no sense and I'm getting a headache. The data you're even showing has mostly southern states at the bottom stop nitpicking.
The link you gave had absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic ...white affluence in the northern and southern states. Can you read with a 3rd graders comprehension level? Someone gave the average income by state for whites and you just keep ignoring that because you don't like the facts.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:15 PM
 
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Your data is wrong try again. read? Look at the link I gave you and do your own research..... Enough said. Illinois isn't apart of the northeast and neither is Michigan. You make no sense and I'm getting a headache. The data you're even showing has mostly southern states at the bottom stop nitpicking.
"Northern" encompasses both the Midwest and the Northeast, just like "Southern" encompasses both Southeastern and South Central states.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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"Northern" encompasses both the Midwest and the Northeast, just like "Southern" encompasses both Southeastern and South Central states.
He originally started this conversation by saying it wasn't debatable that white affluence in the north was greater than the south. Then he tried to make it northeast versus south but switching Virginia to the north, West Virginia to the south, Maryland to the north cause there numbers looked good, taking out all of the northern states that he didn't like their numbers, and then making it income based without considering race, in contrast to his original assertion.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Lets contrast the two. Is there much of a difference between the two?

Musically: I know the Country Music market is very weak in the north compared to the south. The last time I checked there wasn't one Country Music radio station in NYC.

Please respectfully add your thoughts.
Not one country station in NYC...

Well no kidding. It's NYC. New Orleans didn't care much for country music either.

Please, for the love of all that is an off shade of purple, tell me you aren't one of those people who mistakenly thinks the north=urban and the south=rural.

I live in Montour Falls, NY currently. I grew up on both sides of the NY/PA border and have lived in Tennessee and Louisiana in my adult years.

I kid you not, I hear more country music in stores up here than I did in Louisiana, which had an awful lot of hip hop and pop stations going.

There are several country stations accessible out here in upstate NY and usually when you see truck, you hear country. You see a looooooot of trucks here.

It all seems to have a lot more to do with urban/rural than it has to do with north/south.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Oh and uh, how many times are we going to argue this same topic?

Must be going on a thousand north VS south threads.

People who refuse to believe the similarities will never change their minds. Northerners and southerners are seemingly always going to be defined by layman outsiders by the stereotypes and negative examples rather than truth and research.

If this site has taught me anything, it's that for every one person willing to learn something new about the region they sit opposite of, there are two hundred people unwilling to change their misinformed opinions even if the evidence is literally punching them in the face.

This is getting exhausting, really.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:52 PM
 
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Culturally, Northern whites seem more inclined to pursue education in order to attain the "American dream" for a lack of a better term. This is empirically backed; if you're poor and white in the North, you're much more likely to climb the socioeconomic scale into the middle class. Poverty in the South has been ingrained through generations of white families, likely accounting for the discrepancies in culture. However, between Northern whites and Southern whites of the same income, there is little difference.

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