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I disagree that Atlanta is less southern culturally than Biloxi. Atlanta is just more cosmopolitan, it's a slightly different culture, sure, but it's still southern through and through.
I don't consider them in the south. So no. Although they were and still are sometimes considered southern, they were slave states, and more, I could say the same about Missouri but no one really considers St. Louis southern now do they. Also pretty much everything from Baltimore and north is culturally, historically, and demographically different than the south. Baltimore has far more in common with Philadelphia than Richmond, no? Or Boston than Jacksonville.
So you DO recognize that there are factors other than geography that determine whether a place is Southern or not. That's what I was getting at. You seemed to only acknowledge geography.
So you DO recognize that there are factors other than geography that determine whether a place is Southern or not. That's what I was getting at. You seemed to only acknowledge geography.
We've argued about this a few times and yes of course I do but that wasn't what I was arguing. I was arguing that Atlanta nor any other city doesn't lose its southerners because of transplants. Or become "less southern" whatever that means.
We've argued about this a few times and yes of course I do but that wasn't what I was arguing. I was arguing that Atlanta nor any other city doesn't lose its southerners because of transplants. Or become "less southern" whatever that means.
DC was once widely considered Southern but not anymore. What changed?
DC was once widely considered Southern but not anymore. What changed?
I'd say technology and time/history plays the largest role. As technology advanced, it became closer and closer to the northeast than the rest of the south. I've never been though.
I'd say technology and time/history plays the largest role. As technology advanced, it became closer and closer to the northeast than the rest of the south. I've never been though.
Yes, along with lots of transplants from all over. That does play a role as it relates to cultural dilution, although in many cases the role they play can be overstated. The homogenization of America in general is real.
Yes, along with lots of transplants from all over. That does play a role as it relates to cultural dilution, although in many cases the role they play can be overstated. The homogenization of America in general is real.
When was DC considered southern and when did it change? There's a huge jump in population from 1940 to 1960, yet a significant decline from 1960 to 2000. If it was southern in 1940 and through the 20 years it became more associated with the northeast, wouldn't twice as many decades of people fleeing return some of that southerness?
Which I would say about 99% of people claiming that Charlotte is losing its southernness.
When was DC considered southern and when did it change? There's a huge jump in population from 1940 to 1960, yet a significant decline from 1960 to 2000. If it was southern in 1940 and through the 20 years it became more associated with the northeast, wouldn't twice as many decades of people fleeing return some of that southerness?
Come on dude, you know better than to look at city population only. No way I'm going to let you get away with that.
Come on dude, you know better than to look at city population only. No way I'm going to let you get away with that.
Lol
What about the time tables we're talking about here though? 40s and 50s transplants, recently? When was the last time DC was considered southern by the locals?
While it's well known that Georgia has been gaining far more black residents from outside the South during the resent reverse Great Migration than either of the other three states, it's not well known that Georgia was losing more black residents than the other three states during the Great Migration, as it was the only one among the the four states which was home to fewer black residents on average from 1930-1970 compared to 1920.
1920 black populations 1930-1970 average black population Net change
What about the time tables we're talking about here though? 40s and 50s transplants, recently? When was the last time DC was considered southern by the locals?
My relatives from Mississippi have been here in the DC area since the 60s, 70s, and 80s and don't really consider the area southern at all FWIW. People from NC or New England would have a different perspective on this tbh. Most native Washingtonians I know of don't really consider DC to be a southern city, but these are usually people in their 40s and under who say this. DC itself experienced a boom in population growth in the 40s and 50s due to the expansion of the government and defense industries, but experienced a lot of issues that aligned it with Northern cities starting in the 1960s to the 1990s and the subsequent white and black middle class flight that came with that. It seemed as if the narrative about DC and associating it with urban northern cities began to change around the 1960s or so. Overall, the DC metro area in general became a lot more cosmopolitan with more transplants starting in the 1970s or so. DC is always debated because of its location on the edge of what is understood to be the American South versus Atlanta, which is surrounded by the South, and attracts more southern transplants than DC, which has its share of southern transplants, but lots and lots of people from the Northeast/New England have migrated here for work (gotta put those Ivy League degrees to use) more overwhelmingly so.
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