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Old 05-10-2011, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Like I said White People determine who is and who isn't a "Real American" in St. Louis and every other city, town, and village in this country. Blacks are generally only considered "American" when it is politically or socially convenient for mainstream White society (ex. military service or Olympics). All you have to do is look at how many White leaders have been harassing our president about his legitimacy as an American citizen. People seem to forget that Black Americans are the only ethnicity that didn't choose to come to this country. So even though we have earned the right to be here through blood, sweat, and tears. Our Americanism will always be questioned.
Well, I don't know St. Louis but I'm pretty sure you haven't lived everywhere in the country. I've lived in NJ, NY, and New England, and in most places I've lived it's just not like that. Even when I've been in places where other peoples' "Americanism" was questioned, blacks were always at least one of the ones who weren't. I'm sorry you're so bitter and it's clearly pretty personal for you but you're wrong, it's not the same thing everywhere you go with every person you meet and attitudes can be completely different around the country depending on where you go.
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Old 05-11-2011, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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LMAO hell most white Americans didn't notice Friends was so white, but let a sitcom pop up starting majority blacks "it's a black show" which is bad right? but Friends was just so raceless and just American. ) The diversity of America is American.
A lot of people thought that it was a Jewish, NYC show with a token Italian-American and WASP.

Then again, to a lot of Americans, White is White and all just exactly the same.
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Old 05-11-2011, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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Well, I don't know St. Louis but I'm pretty sure you haven't lived everywhere in the country. I've lived in NJ, NY, and New England, and in most places I've lived it's just not like that. Even when I've been in places where other peoples' "Americanism" was questioned, blacks were always at least one of the ones who weren't. I'm sorry you're so bitter and it's clearly pretty personal for you but you're wrong, it's not the same thing everywhere you go with every person you meet and attitudes can be completely different around the country depending on where you go.
It's not personal its history. This has nothing to do with St. Louis (which is not the only place I've lived) or geography. Trust me the majority of the United States (Northeast included) is the same in regards to race relations (specifically between Blacks and Whites). Blacks are just generally considered less American (if considered American at all) in most of the continental United States. We didn't even have the rights of basic citizens until 40 years ago. Many mainstream Whites are still getting used to that and that's just the fact.
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Boston
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It's not personal its history. This has nothing to do with St. Louis (which is not the only place I've lived) or geography. Trust me the majority of the United States (Northeast included) is the same in regards to race relations (specifically between Blacks and Whites). Blacks are just generally considered less American (if considered American at all) in most of the continental United States. We didn't even have the rights of basic citizens until 40 years ago. Many mainstream Whites are still getting used to that and that's just the fact.
Well what you describe isn't what I've experienced at all, and even though I'm 20, I think I've been here around people long enough to form a pretty good opinion. Honestly you seem a little out of touch, not to be mean at all but how old are you. I'm not saying there's no people who don't do that here, but it's nowhere near as far reaching as you make it sound and especially not with people my age and younger. I've very rarely seen people limit Americans just to whites, and when they did they left out groups like Italians, Slavs and other white ethnics too. Most of the people I've known who narrowed down "Americanism" never left out blacks, Asians and Mexicans or Dominicans or all or most Hispanics sure, but not blacks. I've been left out as un-American as an immigrant white before blacks were by whites and blacks.
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Old 05-14-2011, 11:17 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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The idea of blacks being less American is strange to me, especially since so much American culture is influenced by black culture, and alot of American personalities like musicians and sports stars are black. Anyway to me at least Michael Chang or Kim Kardashian is no less American than George Bush, although all are somewhat less American than a native.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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There is no such thing as a culturally standard American.

All those guys I would immediately peg as 'Americans' yet their cultures are radically different and don't overlap, yet they are all American.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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A lot of people thought that it was a Jewish, NYC show with a token Italian-American and WASP.

Then again, to a lot of Americans, White is White and all just exactly the same.
Not just Americans, but foreigners as well. Somebody in Nigeria for example who is watching "Friends", all he is sees is a bunch of White people on her/his tv screen, not a bunch of Jews, WASPs and Italians.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:28 PM
 
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From what I saw living in the US people of Irish, Mexican or Italian ancestries refer to themselves as Irish-, Mexican-, Italian-Americans as to specify their heritage that they're proud of. Usually those who don't care much about their ethnic background, or don't really know what it is simply call themselves American. I often see this with White folks of German or Scottish descent.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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So when people think or say "Americans" they are thinking of White People.
Well... you may wanna see uncle Jesse about that, who coined the term African-American stating that calling a Black person anything else is racist. Including "Black" and probably just "American."
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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Well... you may wanna see uncle Jesse about that, who coined the term African-American stating that calling a Black person anything else is racist. Including "Black" and probably just "American."
I don't say African-American. I say Black.
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