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Old 05-08-2011, 06:43 PM
 
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In Australia, it's common for other ethnic groups, even those that are second or third generation or whatever, to refer to White Anglo-Saxon Australians as 'Australians' and themselves as Italian, Asian.etc, even though these people are Australian too! Not all do, but quite a few. It's because the stereotypical Aussie is some stockman or blonde surfer, and because of the White Australia Policy, immigration was restricted alot until recently.

But in America, a Black American, an Italian American or an Asian American are all equally 'American', at least it seems that way. Do you ever hear anyone refer specifically to white Americans of northern European ancestry as being 'American', with the implication that other groups are somehow 'less' American? In effect they are making some sort of distinction, either because they don't feel as accepted or want to distance themselves from mainstream Aussie culture. It annoys me, because it subtlely implies that they are the 'most' Australian, or are 'more' Australian. Of course compared to the aborigines/native Americans they are just as much immigrants.
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Old 05-08-2011, 07:00 PM
 
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You get that either from extremist groups, those with a vague knowledge of their European ancestry of origin or those that just want to identify as such. Ironically, outside of Native Americans, Blacks in terms of volume of people with long time roots in this country, are more "American".
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Old 05-08-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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You get that either from extremist groups, those with a vague knowledge of their European ancestry of origin or those that just want to identify as such. Ironically, outside of Native Americans, Blacks in terms of volume of people with long time roots in this country, are more "American".
Especially in places like the Northeast, most blacks can trace their ancestry to the pre Civil War days, while you have many people who came from Europe after the turn of the last century.
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Old 05-08-2011, 07:52 PM
 
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In Australia, it's common for other ethnic groups, even those that are second or third generation or whatever, to refer to White Anglo-Saxon Australians as 'Australians' and themselves as Italian, Asian.etc, even though these people are Australian too! Not all do, but quite a few. It's because the stereotypical Aussie is some stockman or blonde surfer, and because of the White Australia Policy, immigration was restricted alot until recently.

But in America, a Black American, an Italian American or an Asian American are all equally 'American', at least it seems that way. Do you ever hear anyone refer specifically to white Americans of northern European ancestry as being 'American', with the implication that other groups are somehow 'less' American? In effect they are making some sort of distinction, either because they don't feel as accepted or want to distance themselves from mainstream Aussie culture. It annoys me, because it subtlely implies that they are the 'most' Australian, or are 'more' Australian. Of course compared to the aborigines/native Americans they are just as much immigrants.
No, I never heard that over here about Americans. Only maybe Xenophobes who I don't know any personally. We are all Americans
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Old 05-08-2011, 07:56 PM
 
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Especially in places like the Northeast, most blacks can trace their ancestry to the pre Civil War days, while you have many people who came from Europe after the turn of the last century.
Yeah, pretty much anywhere on the East Coast will have a history of Black people that goes back to before the Civil War and even the Revolutionary War, if not earlier.
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:00 PM
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Do you ever hear anyone refer specifically to white Americans of northern European ancestry as being 'American', with the implication that other groups are somehow 'less' American?
Out in the hinterlands of the US, if you see a business (especially motels) proudly announcing on a sign that it is "American owned," what you describe is exactly the hidden message that they're conveying.
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:06 PM
 
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Out in the hinterlands of the US, if you see a business (especially motels) proudly announcing on a sign that it is "American owned," what you describe is exactly the hidden message that they're conveying.
Weird, I've never seen a hotel being advertised as 'Australian owned'. Of course many companies/products are, but a place in Australia? Is it common for foreigners to own motels or is it strictly a racial thing?
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:13 PM
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Is it common for foreigners to own motels or is it strictly a racial thing?
Yes, the rural motel business attracts many Indian and Pakistani owners here. In urban areas, the convenience-store business seems to have the same demographic characteristics.
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:24 PM
 
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I'm in America and my mom refers to white-Americans as "Americans" while African Americans she refers to as "Blacks" or Asians "Asian Americans".
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:26 PM
 
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Yes, the rural motel business attracts many Indian and Pakistani owners here. In urban areas, the convenience-store business seems to have the same demographic characteristics.
Why is it that South Asians have a global monopoly on owning convenience stores? lol. Everywhere I've been that's been the case.
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