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Cities such as Philly, NYC, Chicago, etc, are more powerful and influential than the southern cities, and continue to grow. Many people flee southern states too (particularly Florida).
We have MANY, MANY people on the NC/SC/TN forums looking to relocate from the northeast due to high property taxes and cost of living. From MI due to lack of jobs. From FL due to many reasons, mostly higher insurance costs.
The northern cities may be growing but not by the leaps and bounds that seem to be indicative of the Sun Belt. That's is part of what prompted the original question.
Many northerners have stated how proud they are to be from the north and to be a Yankee. Why did y’all let that area become so bad you feel like you have to flee it?
There have been quite a few moving away. 3 kids in my school moves to SC, all 3 came back because they liked NY better. The Northeast is more lively, people are friendlier, sports are more important, etc. About the friendliness, I mean to "Yankees." Southerners hate Yankees and aren't welcoming. And for every "Yankee" that moves away, we get a ton more people. In two weeks, we lost a kid to Florida, but got 4 more kids--two from California, 1 from Minnesota, and 1 from Virginia. The Northeast is growing, not losing population. And areas like Buffalo, Rochester, Providence, and Maine are on the rise.
Southerners don't hate Yankees...what we hate are Yankees coming down and whining about why the South doesn't do everything like it was done "back home" up north. Liz
We have MANY, MANY people on the NC/SC/TN forums looking to relocate from the northeast due to high property taxes and cost of living. From MI due to lack of jobs. From FL due to many reasons, mostly higher insurance costs.
The northern cities may be growing but not by the leaps and bounds that seem to be indicative of the Sun Belt. That's is part of what prompted the original question.
Ill never understand the huge urge to move south. Many come back home because they dislike the south. Its a trend, one that will phase out sooner or later.
Here is a list you might find interesting (7 of 100 of the fastest growing burbs are in IL). Does that mean that IL is growing at a rate of AZ or NV? No, but some northern states, mine included, are growing still. We're still 5th in the nation for population:
America's Fastest-Growing Suburbs - Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/2007/07/16/suburbs-growth-housing-forbeslife-cx_mw_0716realestate_2.html - broken link)
We have MANY, MANY people on the NC/SC/TN forums looking to relocate from the northeast due to high property taxes and cost of living. From MI due to lack of jobs. From FL due to many reasons, mostly higher insurance costs.
The northern cities may be growing but not by the leaps and bounds that seem to be indicative of the Sun Belt. That's is part of what prompted the original question.
The South is growing fastest for elderly people. Over 80% of real estate sales in the NYC area are by senior citizens. Real estate buyers in the NYC area are families. The South is growing with elderly people, the Northeast is growing with families.
New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey etc. are gaining American families (mainly from CA, believe it or not), Florida, California, Arizona, etc. are gaining immigrant families.
Ill never understand the huge urge to move south. Many come back home because they dislike the south. Its a trend, one that will phase out sooner or later.
Because it's WARM most of the year. Even if they move to the southwest...it's still warm almost year round.
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The Northeast is growing, not losing population. And areas like Buffalo, Rochester, Providence, and Maine are on the rise.
With areas like this where the tax rates are much higher than the south, the retirement population can not afford to stay up north.
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National Average is $13.28/per $1,000
Buffalo's tax rate is $30.41/per $1,000
Rochester's tax rate is $30.10/per $1,000
Providence's tax rate is $20.08/per $1,000
Bayonne's tax rate is $30.23/per $1,000
Detroit's tax rate is $17.73/per $1,000
Chicago's tax rate is $18.40/per $1,000
Charlotte's tax rate is $12.19/per $1,000
Raleigh's tax rate is $8.93/per $1,000
Durham's tax rate is $11.88/per $1,000
Wilmington's tax rate is $9.40/per $1,000
Atlanta's (Fulton Co) tax rate is $14.85/per $1,000
Birmingham's tax rate is $7.79/per $1,000
Knoxville's tax rate is $10.36/per $1,000
Even young families can not afford those taxes. Can you honestly say that a tax rate over triple the amount is in anyone's budget? I know that we could not afford to pay triple what we pay on our house in taxes and we are not retired. Liz
Because it's WARM most of the year. Even if they move to the southwest...it's still warm almost year round.
With areas like this where the tax rates are much higher than the south, the retirement population can not afford to stay up north.
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National Average is $13.28/per $1,000
Buffalo's tax rate is $30.41/per $1,000
Rochester's tax rate is $30.10/per $1,000
Providence's tax rate is $20.08/per $1,000
Bayonne's tax rate is $30.23/per $1,000
Detroit's tax rate is $17.73/per $1,000
Chicago's tax rate is $18.40/per $1,000
Charlotte's tax rate is $12.19/per $1,000
Raleigh's tax rate is $8.93/per $1,000
Durham's tax rate is $11.88/per $1,000
Wilmington's tax rate is $9.40/per $1,000
Atlanta's (Fulton Co) tax rate is $14.85/per $1,000
Birmingham's tax rate is $7.79/per $1,000
Knoxville's tax rate is $10.36/per $1,000
Even young families can not afford those taxes. Can you honestly say that a tax rate over triple the amount is in anyone's budget? I know that we could not afford to pay triple what we pay on our house in taxes and we are not retired. Liz
Yes, the Northeast does have high taxes. But we are fixing that. We understand elderly people are leaving, which really doesn't bother me. NYC is the 2nd fastest growing city after Atlanta. We lose 1 elderly person, we gain thousands of families.
There's a reason it's expensive to live up here. Because the Northeat offers so much more. The South is very unaccepting, while the Northeast will take anyone in. The Northeast offers world-class cultural, entertainment, dining, and recreational amenities.
Because it's WARM most of the year. Even if they move to the southwest...it's still warm almost year round.
And what does that prove? Warm doesnt make a good life. In fact, most warm areas of the country offer low paying jobs, bad schools, boring cities, cookie cutter homes, etc, etc. Sunbelt= HOT boring sprawl for the most part. Im glad to see people move there to escape the cold, it filters out the whiners and weenies.
And what does that prove? Warm doesnt make a good life. In fact, most warm areas of the country offer low paying jobs, bad schools, boring cities, cookie cutter homes, etc, etc. Sunbelt= HOT boring sprawl for the most part. Im glad to see people move there to escape the cold, it filters out the whiners and weenies.
Yeah, I know. The South is disgustingly hot and humid in the Summer, and it's always overcast and rainy. The Southeast isn't even that warm in the Winter. I went down to SC for a week in December and froze my as off. It was colder there than it was back home in NY. And don't forget hurricanes and them annoying mosquitoes.
It's a miserable, damp, bug-infested, cloudy climate.
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