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This is the kind of thing I am talking about, a lot of Americans have no sympathy for anyone worse off. I wonder if your opinion would change if you were in that predicament riddled with debt for simple health care, put out your house because you can't afford the rent no REAL help whatsoever, the ''there is winners and lossers'' way of thinking leaves a bad taste in my mouth TBH.
If you look closely at the economic situation in America, one thing that becomes clear is that income and employment rates are highly correlated with educational attainment. People with only a high school education (or less) have very high unemployment rates. People with bachelors, masters, professional and doctorate degrees - have much lower unemployment rates.
This is true even during good economic times. And it's the elephant in the room that some people like to ignore.
This is the kind of thing I am talking about, a lot of Americans have no sympathy for anyone worse off. I wonder if your opinion would change if you were in that predicament riddled with debt for simple health care, put out your house because you can't afford the rent no REAL help whatsoever, the ''there is winners and lossers'' way of thinking leaves a bad taste in my mouth TBH.
i don't have health insurance and i have a $5,000 hospital bill. the hospital is allowing me to make monthly payments to them, any amount i want. i can pay $1,000 a month or $25 a month, as long as i pay something. my grandpa's brother had a heart attack in the 1920s as a kid, no health insurance and no money... he lived to tell the tale to his grandkids.
and if you lose your apartment or house because of rent, too bad. move in with family or get a roommate.
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So there's 13 million unemployed, and there is those in temp work or on crappy wages so add another few million to that, are you saying that all these people have a equal chance of making a comfortable life for themselves?
No, I am saying the exact opposite. What I mean is that people who are dirt-poor and unskilled who arrive in the U.S. these days have little realistic chance of "making it". Those who do "make it" there likely came from a reasonably prosperous and educated background in their countries of origin.
This is a significant change from the U.S. of 100 years ago, although as I said back then not everyone who moved to the States "made it" either.
No, I am saying the exact opposite. What I mean is that people who are dirt-poor and unskilled who arrive in the U.S. these days have little realistic chance of "making it". Those who do "make it" there likely came from a reasonably prosperous and educated background in their countries of origin.
This is a significant change from the U.S. of 100 years ago, although as I said back then not everyone who moved to the States "made it" either.
yeah, they don't. but their kids who go to school here in the states will.
i don't have health insurance and i have a $5,000 hospital bill. the hospital is allowing me to make monthly payments to them, any amount i want. i can pay $1,000 a month or $25 a month, as long as i pay something. it's not that bad. i asked them what if my bill came to something like $20,000 and they said the same... just make monthly payments and they won't notify collections.
and if you lose your apartment or house because of rent, too bad. move in with family or get a roommate.
yeah, they don't. but their kids who go to school here in the states will.
It may work for some but for most people it is not as simple as that. If the parents are poor they live in a poorer part of town that likely has sucky schools because schools are financed locally rather than state-wide which would be fairer and favour equality of opportunity. Kids who go to sucky schools have less of a chance of getting into college. And so on and so on....
This applies to the American-born as much as it applies to immigrants BTW.
It may work for some but for most people it is not as simple as that. If the parents are poor they live in a poorer part of town that likely has sucky schools because schools are financed locally rather than state-wide which would be fairer and favour equality of opportunity. Kids who go to sucky schools have less of a chance of getting into college. And so on and so on....
This applies to the American-born as much as it applies to immigrants BTW.
It actually applies more to American Born poor than Immigrants. Children of Immigrants in America outperform Native Born by a growing margin. That is what has always set America apart from many other countries to me.
With that being said the situation with Native Born Poor, especially Black and Latino communities in America are a problem we should all take seriously, it affects our society whether you are in that situation or not.
It may work for some but for most people it is not as simple as that. If the parents are poor they live in a poorer part of town that likely has sucky schools because schools are financed locally rather than state-wide which would be fairer and favour equality of opportunity. Kids who go to sucky schools have less of a chance of getting into college. And so on and so on....
This applies to the American-born as much as it applies to immigrants BTW.
if you go to high school on the south side of chicago, get good grades, and apply for college, you'll be accepted and will probably receive some scholarship offers. you still take the same state tests, the same sat, etc
my ancestors came to america from ireland, france, and germany in the late 1800s and early 1900s without welfare, with child labor in practice, without minimum wage... and within the generation were out of there. today, we have welfare, minimum wage and you see "temporary housing" housing generations.
back in the day, my ancestors would be found in the factories busting their hump. my grandfather worked in a steel mill, joined the military, was a ww2 and korean war veteran, a devout catholic, got out of the military and worked 3 jobs 20 hours per day for 30 years to provide for his family. none of his children stepped foot in that steel mill. they either went to college or joined the military.
i feel bad for victims of the recession, sure, and they should have a right to unemployment and some help.
but as for "the inner city," screw it. why should they get a free ride when my grandfather busted his butt in the steel mills, served his country in two wars, one of them a world war, and worked 3 jobs for 30 years?
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