Wher to move for hot summers and snowy winters (unemployment, to live in)

[west336]

Originally Posted by stlouisan

Meteorologists typically place that line right through St. Louis, but all my years of living here incline me to agree with you. Cold, snowy winters have the potential to occur almost anywhere in Missouri, except below the line you mentioned...south of there snow is rarer...ice and rain are the typical norms.

Compared to the Upper Midwest or Canada, our winters are nothing. But they are almost always cold and can be quite snowy. At least 2 out of every 4 seasons guarantee moderate to heavy snowfall. Living here for almost 30 years, I've been exposed to mild winters, moderate ones, and fairly severe ones. The Lower Midwest typically works that way. If west336 thinks our winters are normally like what he lived through, he must not have paid attention or lived there for very long, or be from some place where winters are at their most extreme.

I lived in St. Louis only for a short period in the late 80's....if that explains anything. I remember it being VERY hot those summers (want to say 88 or 89 was a record summer year) and the winters were mostly snowless and wet. I don't have 30 years of experience for you to compare, and believe I already stated that I don't want to come off as some expert on St. Louis because I have limited experience there. That's just what I remember. I realize the area can get blizzards of snow and such, but for the most part winters are what I consider "mild", in that the temps don't stay below freezing long enough to keep snow and ice on the ground to play with....at least not long enough to play sports on (I have been in competitive skiing and ski racing since I was a child, so having snow and ice is important to me).

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by west336

I lived in St. Louis only for a short period in the late 80's....if that explains anything. I remember it being VERY hot those summers (want to say 88 or 89 was a record summer year) and the winters were mostly snowless and wet. I don't have 30 years of experience for you to compare, and believe I already stated that I don't want to come off as some expert on St. Louis because I have limited experience there. That's just what I remember. I realize the area can get blizzards of snow and such, but for the most part winters are what I consider "mild", in that the temps don't stay below freezing long enough to keep snow and ice on the ground to play with....at least not long enough to play sports on (I have been in competitive skiing and ski racing since I was a child, so having snow and ice is important to me).

If you consider those winters mild, that's like saying something is either severe or it's not, no in between. I'm sorry, but St. Louis gets real winters...as far as VERY hot summers, plenty of other cities in the Midwest get as hot as STL in the summer....Cincy, KC, and Omaha, among others. I also just looked up 1988 and 1989 for snowfall...the winter of 1987 was 31.5 inches, 1988 was 19.7 inches, 1989 was 24.1 inches of snow. Mostly snowless? I think your memory is clogged. I agree that the temperatures don't stay below freezing, but to say that classifies it as mild is grossly incorrect, because the temperatures constantly will get below freezing.

[LookinForMayberry]

Originally Posted by spiffytools

Hi.
First post, so please be pleasant with me

Any ideas? We are considering any of the 50 states.

Kevin;

I hope everyone is ALWAYS pleasant with you, regardless of your status.

It sounds to me that Northern New Mexico might be ideal for you, or southern Colorado. We personally loved the outskirts of Albuquerque, Santa Fe is nice but more "touristy."

We loved Salida, CO.

[west336]

Originally Posted by stlouisan

If you consider those winters mild, that's like saying something is either severe or it's not, no in between. I'm sorry, but St. Louis gets real winters...as far as VERY hot summers, plenty of other cities in the Midwest get as hot as STL in the summer....Cincy, KC, and Omaha, among others. I also just looked up 1988 and 1989 for snowfall...the winter of 1987 was 31.5 inches, 1988 was 19.7 inches, 1989 was 24.1 inches of snow. Mostly snowless? I think your memory is clogged. I agree that the temperatures don't stay below freezing, but to say that classifies it as mild is grossly incorrect, because the temperatures constantly will get below freezing.

Answer this: Does St. Louis have winters where you can ski, skate or sled any day of the week for months? I'm not sure what the OP wants, but I thought the OP wanted winters with a lot of winter activity like that. The winters we experienced in our short time in St. Louis (which were apparently normal for that time, as you've confirmed) were notably less "wintry" than what we were used to. Maybe it works for you but it didn't for us (not that it matters). Some people prefer to enjoy the winter outdoors, and I don't think many of the places you listed would be good recommendations for that. But don't feel bad, because aside from places like Minneapolis, Denver and Salt Lake City, there aren't many big cities in this country with winters like that.

[glamatomic]

Missouri has a couple of Ski Resorts (Snow Creek and Hidden Valley) although they're obviously nothing on Colorado/ Utah etc. Missouri Ski Resorts | SkiCentral.com

As for Very Hot Summers- 89 degrees is hot? Wow you've been spoiled!!! I consider 89 mild. (I'm from Australia and currently stuck in the Carolinas).

You're right though- Missouri is *less* wintery- but does offer snow and skiing, even if it's to a lesser degree than some other states. The low cost of living, beauty and benefits of the St. Louis region though far weigh out any cons for me personally

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by glamatomic

Missouri has a couple of Ski Resorts (Snow Creek and Hidden Valley) although they're obviously nothing on Colorado/ Utah etc. Missouri Ski Resorts | SkiCentral.com

As for Very Hot Summers- 89 degrees is hot? Wow you've been spoiled!!! I consider 89 mild. (I'm from Australia and currently stuck in the Carolinas).

You're right though- Missouri is *less* wintery- but does offer snow and skiing, even if it's to a lesser degree than some other states. The low cost of living, beauty and benefits of the St. Louis region though far weigh out any cons for me personally

It's not the temperature itself that's the problem, but the humidity. Humidity is a problem with the Midwest and pretty much all of the Central and Eastern United States. Whenever it gets hot, the humidity pushes the heat index into the 90s and 100s. I don't know if Australia is humid or not...I'd imagine near the oceans it is, but some place like Melbourne I would expect would have more of a dry heat.

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by glamatomic

Missouri has a couple of Ski Resorts (Snow Creek and Hidden Valley) although they're obviously nothing on Colorado/ Utah etc. Missouri Ski Resorts | SkiCentral.com

As for Very Hot Summers- 89 degrees is hot? Wow you've been spoiled!!! I consider 89 mild. (I'm from Australia and currently stuck in the Carolinas).

You're right though- Missouri is *less* wintery- but does offer snow and skiing, even if it's to a lesser degree than some other states. The low cost of living, beauty and benefits of the St. Louis region though far weigh out any cons for me personally

Missouri is wintery enough that more often than not you should be satisfied. Iowa, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio go about the whole nine yards as far as seasons are concerned...cold, snowy winters and hot, humid summers occur either all the time or frequently in these states.

[mshanepb]

Get an almanac. Find a location in the Midwest with lots of state owned property. Lakes and Parks. Then buy property close by with some trees. There you go. Hot summers with shade and plenty to do. Snowy days in a cabin rental at a near by state park is great!

[MikeM8560]

I used to lice in new hampshire nice summer not resl hot but maybe a week ot 2 of real beach days and cold snowy winters i got tired of the doentime between summer and winter for winter sports and moved to florida to find and aclimate to what id a bot summer and pleasant lly warm winters

[MikeM8560]

I used to lice in new hampshire nice summer not resl hot but maybe a week ot 2 of real beach days and cold snowy winters i got tired of the doentime between summer and winter for winter sports and moved to florida to find and aclimate to what id a bot summer and pleasant lly warm winters