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Old 09-11-2007, 01:21 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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So is there a political reason why they sometimes include KY as the "Southeast" on those bookstore maps, but not Virginia when they are just about on the same latitude ?
I wouldn't think for political reasons. THe only reason I would imagine them including KEntucky but not Virginia is because KEntucky is slightly further south than Virginia. I don't see that happen very often. Nowadays, Kentucky and Virginia I notice are almost always included in the South. So the few times they are not are actually pretty much insignificant. 98% of the time they are included in the south. That's close enough to 100% for me.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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I've seen a map of the south or southeast that included Kentucky but excluded not only Virginia but North Carolina as well.
North Carolina was lumped into the Mid-Atlantic.

Ah, the Mid-Atlantic coast, where palmettos pop out of the ground naturally, snow only happens maybe once in 10 years, "shrimping" is big business, there are plenty of small alligators and trees like live oak and cypress trees grow thick beards of moss.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:12 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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I've seen a map of the south or southeast that included Kentucky but excluded not only Virginia but North Carolina as well.
North Carolina was lumped into the Mid-Atlantic.

Ah, the Mid-Atlantic coast, where palmettos pop out of the ground naturally, snow only happens maybe once in 10 years, "shrimping" is big business, there are plenty of small alligators and trees like live oak and cypress trees grow thick beards of moss.
I don't understand why Virginia and North Carolina are dubbed the Mid-Atlantic. They are clearly Southern. D.C., Maryland, and Delaware are the Mid-Atlantic to me.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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I don't understand why Virginia and North Carolina are dubbed the Mid-Atlantic. They are clearly Southern. D.C., Maryland, and Delaware are the Mid-Atlantic to me.
I think its the East Coast Factor. That would explain why KY is included in the Southeast maps, but sometimes VA is left out (when they are about the same in latitude)


VA is on the East Coast.

I've heard South Carolina called Mid-Atlantic. I guess maybe the North is moving South?
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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I've spent plenty of time there and trust me, there's no East Coast "feel" in the Carolinas, just the view while at the beach.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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I've spent plenty of time there and trust me, there's no East Coast "feel" in the Carolinas, just the view while at the beach, not shore.
Yes- I know. But they are on the east coast..
Thats what I'm stalking about Geographically...

Virginia is on the east coast. So thats why Kentucky gets included because its west of the east coast.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Yes- I know. But they are on the east coast..
Thats what I'm stalking about Geographically...

Virginia is on the east coast. So thats why Kentucky gets included because its west of the east coast.
So is Daytona Beach.

Makes a bit of sense. Kinda hard to lump Kentucky into the Mid-West and it's to far from the Atlantic to be mid-Atlantic.
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:20 AM
 
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I've seen a map of the south or southeast that included Kentucky but excluded not only Virginia but North Carolina as well.
North Carolina was lumped into the Mid-Atlantic.

Ah, the Mid-Atlantic coast, where palmettos pop out of the ground naturally, snow only happens maybe once in 10 years, "shrimping" is big business, there are plenty of small alligators and trees like live oak and cypress trees grow thick beards of moss.
Bald Cypress trees and Spanish moss will grow in North Carolina and Virginia, but Palmettos stop growing somewhere between Wilmington, NC and Myrtle Beach, SC. They do have some Palmettos here in Wilmington, but they are imported from farther south; you have to transplant them along with their native soil, which is expensive.

Range of the Palmetto
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Kentucky
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I think it just depends on the map writer and what the map is for. I think perhaps that it is a matter of convenience in dealing with areas. I have seen Kentucky placed in the NE once when the country was only divided four ways! It just depends.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Bald Cypress trees and Spanish moss will grow in North Carolina and Virginia, but Palmettos stop growing somewhere between Wilmington, NC and Myrtle Beach, SC. They do have some Palmettos here in Wilmington, but they are imported from farther south; you have to transplant them along with their native soil, which is expensive.
Well somewhere I heard that palmettos were native to NC's extreme southern coast, from the SC border to Bald Head Island.
Maybe their native range in NC is just in scattered pockets along that small stretch of coast.

I did not know you have to transplant their native soil. Is that some kind of sand mix?

Nice map by the way. It's interesting to see its range in Florida and how a lot of northern FL is excluded. I know native ranges have nothing to do with what you see planted in gardens, but indicate what grows wild, or what grows easily in certain areas.
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