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"Officially"? By whose definition? Maybe the census bureau's, but a lot of people consider Ohio the east, esp. eastern Ohio, which has its ties to Pittsburgh. A lot of people consider Michigan the east, as well. It also depends on where you are. In California, Illinois is considered "back east". In Colorado, Ohio and Michigan are considered "the east" by many people.
People from Buffalo, Rochester, Cleveland and Milwaukee call me "Taaaam" instead of "Tom". I'd say the accent of upstate NY is more similar to that of the Midwest than that of the North East.
Eh, that is related to the northern cities shift accent, and western New York is included in that accent zone. The Tom example is classic It is also applicable to "Daaaan" instead of "Don".
I think New York, along with Texas and to a lesser degree, Florida, have the most diverse regional areas. It's a very difficult state to pigeonhole in terms of where you live and identity. On my map, New York is 4 distinct regions.
I think New York, along with Texas and to a lesser degree, Florida, have the most diverse regional areas. It's a very difficult state to pigeonhole in terms of where you live and identity. On my map, New York is 4 distinct regions.
NY is a large state, geographically. Obviously, so is Texas. I disagree a bit with the PA/NY designations on your map. Did you make it yourself, or take it from some source? And I only see 3 regions in NY. What am I missing?
I think New York, along with Texas and to a lesser degree, Florida, have the most diverse regional areas. It's a very difficult state to pigeonhole in terms of where you live and identity. On my map, New York is 4 distinct regions.
That's interesting. I've never seen it cut through states like that before. I agree based on cultural attributes. However, this is the map I've always seen:
My husband from the Rochester, NY area was a Yankee through and through. He did not identify with the midwest, nor did his family. In fact, when his family moved to Chicago, they took some flak about being from NY. Chicago certainly does not see W. NYS as a part of its 'cultural area'.
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NY is a large state, geographically. Obviously, so is Texas. I disagree a bit with the PA/NY designations on your map. Did you make it yourself, or take it from some source? And I only see 3 regions in NY. What am I missing?
No, I made it myself. The boundaries are based on county lines. The 4th region you might not be identifying is New England. To me, the area around Lake Champlain and east of Albany is an extension of New England. I drew this map based on the fact I've been to all 62 counties in New York. My relatives are from the Buffalo-Rochester area. Someone else though will have a different interpretation, which is understandable. New York is just a very complex state to define when it comes to regional geography. In fact, the upper section, through Malone-St. Lawrence County, though I defined as Mid-Atlantic, I wasn't entirely comfortable with it. There just didn't seem to be any other region, and I couldn't create another just for that area of NY.
That's interesting. I've never seen it cut through states like that before. I agree based on cultural attributes. However, this is the map I've always seen:
The problem with maps such as these are they are too absolute, which is a consequence that comes with gauging regions by lumping an entire state into it. For instance, Port Arthur Texas is about as 'Southwest' as El Paso Texas is "New England". Texarkana, Texas is closer to Chicago than it is to El Paso. You just can't take 252,000 square miles (Texas) and classify it in whole as "Southwest". It makes no sense.
I agree more with Rochester and west in NY being a transition area, along with Pittsburgh and the extreme western counties of Pennsylvania. I am from one of those counties, and have lived in the midwest and west since I was 22. Believe me, the midwest does not consider PA or NY "midwest", period. To be part of the area, you have to be accepted in that area, I think.
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It is also applicable to "Daaaan" instead of "Don".
