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Originally Posted by beone
What do you love about LA? I'm being serious here and not condescending. Maybe I missed something this weekend. Maybe I'm just not getting it. Maybe it's just not me.
It's just not you.
Just like any other city in the country besides NYC is just not me.
Milky, I think you have a very serious issue with your reading capability. First of all, Rob Lang and Peter Taylor are professors at Virginia Tech and also members of the GaWC group. Secondly, their study was funded by the Brookings Institution, not the University of Chicago. Lastly, the article did mention that much of the Lang & Taylor's work is based on the research about the strategic roles and growth of the service sector led by an UOC economist. Keep in mind that the research by Saskia Sassen is a completely different study...You already failed the reading score, Milky
Its also funny that a joker like you dared to say GaWc project 32 is a flawed study. Remember, GaWC is a world-renowned and highly respected study group and network that has members from all across the globe. Where do you live now, Milky? It gotta be either Las Vegas or Los Angeles-Riverside I figure
Also, I have to remind you over and over again. This is a study about the global network connectivity based on many disciplines such as advertising, accounting, insurance, finance, banking, law, and management consultancy..etc. If the study focuses merely on the global financial connectivity aspect then LA is years behind the global powers like Chicago & NY.
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Originally Posted by milquetoast
TownCakes, L. A. is ranked 9th globally (according to your GaWC), and I'm fine with that! Financial service sectorially speaking! I've just discovered your "link within the link". Why direct everyone to competing links from different sources and different eras when you have the chance to be a little more clear, for a change. There's a study, from the University of Chicago that states one thing, then the link on the bottom that directs people to another study from The Brookings Institute based on the information from the first study, then in your rebuttle you yet again direct everyone to another study. I told you there's more than one game in this big world, but according to your respective studies, L. A. has even more international visibility than I thought. Let's get to it. First, the study (project 32) uses limited factors for the sake of comparison within the study itself. Second, the study is somewhat flawed and doesn't accurately reflect the ranking of certain cities because it doesn't take into account the actual performance of 'global services' provided by said cities. They suffer by comparison because their known status, for reasons beyond the study, can't be evaluated effectively. Connectivity, irrelavent geographically in the near future and beyond, does not bode well for expensive, established centers like New York, or even Chicago, which will be bypassed. Taking into account that one study is 3 years behind while another is 5 years behind (and the way you misused the word 'globalization' in your rebuttle), and, I'm not exactly laughing. I'm thinking I'm wasting my time and actually pulling out pad and pen and arguing with someone who ignores my posts, someone who may still be in college, or someone who just doesn't have the capacity to see the bigger picture. But thanks for letting me know about Los Angeles' ranking just behind Chicago and New York in global financial service connectivity, I'll add that feather to my cap, and consider all the other ways that L. A. makes the other cities uhh.. not ready for prime time! Relatively speaking.
Last edited by downtown1; 10-03-2007 at 11:35 PM..
When owning up to their inaccuracies, they state, "These few incongruities imply that there is more to understanding the importance of U.S. cities than just their worldwide standing as global service centers." I think someone has a boo boo in their foot cause they shot themself!
Sorry, little guy! They admitted as much when trying to define the status of certain cities, that the study was flawed, or in the least, inconclusive! Chicago's global connectivity 'score' didn't seem to differ much from L. A.'s, ( 0.62 to 0.60 ) so your point is unfounded and I've determined it to be, subjective, on your part. Los Angeles/Riverside, doesn't exist, your 'Project 32' couldn't get it together enough to present itself with proper grammar, and you need a mental specialist of some sort. Keep this in mind, fellow posters: When dealing with a psycological disorder in the form of a fellow member and they don't absorb your logic, then you are wasting electronic ink. Up above, their words, not mine. Get something for that foot now, Professor!
How is NY going to heat itself, off of its rosy, warm glow? New York, for many, many reasons is the most vulnerable big city in the world. NY could survive, but everywhere else can't! Funny, how it rained hard a month or so ago, and the subway system shut down. You're funny! Love it! Tradition or not, the Pope should consider L. A., even with the trouble.
To be fair, it's was several inches in less than one hour. Much of the subway system is dug at the same level as the water table. So the pumping goes on continuously, even if there isn't a storm. Also, the system is over 100 years old. A lot of infrastructure changes need to happen. But it isn't easy to make those changes without disrupting service, so it takes a lot longer.
On the contrast, Bill Maher once said that if it drizzles in L.A., the weatherman on the news starts talking about the 'hurricane' outside and everyone starts breaking out their gear from Eastern Mountain Sports. (I also heard bad things about driving in the rain.)
To answer the original questions, I have no doubts about NY and LA. The fact that Chicago is a distant 4th reinforces their position(DC is really number 3). In the history of this country, NYC has always been the most populous city (pull out the 1790 census if you don't believe me). Along with Tokyo and London, they are three most important cities on the planet (with Beijing and Paris not far behind).
Could any city in the US overtake those two? Again, I don't think so. Certainly, not in the next generation unless some cataclysm intervenes. As for a new number 4 (just as NYC and LA are entrenched, no city will overtake DC either), that one is wide open.
You could argue that San Francisco, Seattle or Houston are all more relevant than Chicago. San Francisco as the perceived gateway to Silicon Valley, Seattle as the home of software, and Houston as the energy capital. These three industries are each more important than anything that Chicago leads in.
That issue, is Chicago's problem in summary. It's not relevant to be #2. Houston is #2 in theater - and nobody cares. But it is #1 in energy and that matters.
The midwest may lead in food production - but truthfully, it means nothing. Certainly not in perception. South Korea is #1 in semi conductor production - but everyone knows that product creation/design is key and that's why they bow to the Valley.
This is a study about the global network connectivity based on many disciplines such as advertising, accounting, insurance, finance, banking, law, and management consultancy..etc. If the study focuses merely on the global financial connectivity aspect then LA is years behind the global powers like Chicago & NY.
Outside of business/law, Chicago is virtually irrelevant to the rest of the world. The future is not just in business and law, although they certainly have their place. The future is in the high tech industry, the chem and bio tech industries , venture capitalism and other tech-y related fields. Nothing really innovative ever happens in finance and law, just new laws and regulations to record and regulate new technological developments happening around the world. SF and Silicon Valley imo have far more influence in those departments. US global influence in the next century will be dependent on how competitive our high tech industries are. Without companies like Adobe, AMD, Apple, Cisco, Ebay, EA, Google, HP, Intel, Maxtor, Nvidia, Oracle, San Disk, Sun Micro, Yahoo, Symntec, Rambus, Sony America, Nintendo America etc, United States would still be living in the 20th century and be virtually irrelevant in the new millennium.
So I'm sorry, I know Chicago is a major player in the financial industry, but there is far more to global influence than just finance/law etc. Global power has already shifted substantially in the last decade to the East Asian nations. Let's face it, the Asians are just more tech savvy than we are. Look at our science and engineering depts throughout most of our top US Universities, they're virtually all East Asian or Indians students.
And it looks like SF and LA are still where most of the interactions with East Asia is taking place. New York City is also extremely influential to the Asian nations and anywhere around the world for that matter, but Chicago, not so much. Chicago is really only dominant in finance and law. But everything can be done on computers now, stocks can be traded online, analysts and bankers can build their financial models at home,everything can be done online, in any city, as long as they have the technology to be connected. And as countries become more and more developed, they can rely on their own banks, their own law systems and not so much on the US firms. And we have a huge deficit to China and Japan right now, not the other way around. But cutting edge technology would always be at the forefront of how developing nation would be shaped. I know Chicago has alot of pretty skyscrapers, but skyscrapers are becoming more and more irrelevant, high rises are more relevant for condos and lofts these days than they are for office buildings.
I say NYC, LA, and SF are the three most influential US global cities if looked judged as a whole. LA's dominance in the media industry will always make it relevant across the globe. The rest of the world basically sees America through the eyes of the NYC and LA media, Chicago is merely an afterthought.
Outside of business/law, Chicago is virtually irrelevant to the rest of the world. The future is not just in business and law, although they certainly have their place. The future is in the high tech industry, the chem and bio tech industries , venture capitalism and other tech-y related fields. Nothing really innovative ever happens in finance and law, just new laws and regulations to record and regulate new technological developments happening around the world. SF and Silicon Valley imo have far more influence in those departments. US global influence in the next century will be dependent on how competitive our high tech industries are. Without companies like Adobe, AMD, Apple, Cisco, Ebay, EA, Google, HP, Intel, Maxtor, Nvidia, Oracle, San Disk, Sun Micro, Yahoo, Symntec, Rambus, Sony America, Nintendo America etc, United States would still be living in the 20th century and be virtually irrelevant in the new millennium.
So I'm sorry, I know Chicago is a major player in the financial industry, but there is far more to global influence than just finance/law etc. Global power has already shifted substantially in the last decade to the East Asian nations. Let's face it, the Asians are just more tech savvy than we are. Look at our science and engineering depts throughout most of our top US Universities, they're virtually all East Asian or Indians students.
And it looks like SF and LA are still where most of the interactions with East Asia is taking place. New York City is also extremely influential to the Asian nations and anywhere around the world for that matter, but Chicago, not so much. Chicago is really only dominant in finance and law. But everything can be done on computers now, stocks can be traded online, analysts and bankers can build their financial models at home,everything can be done online, in any city, as long as they have the technology to be connected. And as countries become more and more developed, they can rely on their own banks, their own law systems and not so much on the US firms. And we have a huge deficit to China and Japan right now, not the other way around. But cutting edge technology would always be at the forefront of how developing nation would be shaped. I know Chicago has alot of pretty skyscrapers, but skyscrapers are becoming more and more irrelevant, high rises are more relevant for condos and lofts these days than they are for office buildings.
I say NYC, LA, and SF are the three most influential US global cities if looked judged as a whole. LA's dominance in the media industry will always make it relevant across the globe. The rest of the world basically sees America through the eyes of the NYC and LA media, Chicago is merely an afterthought.
Such a static analysis. When globalization crashes, you'll be the first to cry on Chicago's or Cleveland's or Detroit's shoulder. The Asians and Europeans won't care what you have to say, because they won't be buying or funding this kind of drivel anymore. I could care less about your foreign paymasters and their expensive condos in New York and Los Angeles, and that goes for Wall Street and Hollywood as well.
The international influence of San Francisco and Seattle has risen proportionally with Asia finance and trade, and Boston has fallen to an extent as Europe has become relatively less important. The Chinese and Indians will go home, and the Google guys will come back to the Midwest from where they came, or go hang out with the American-hating hippies in New Zealand.
San Francisco as the perceived gateway to Silicon Valley
By whom???
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