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View Poll Results: Which Midwestern state has the most Southern influence?
Kansas 7 4.27%
Missouri 121 73.78%
Illinois 1 0.61%
Indiana 30 18.29%
Ohio 5 3.05%
Voters: 164. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-23-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Good grief at these poll numbers. The bottom half of Ohio is in all practical matters, a southern state (or at least its portion). Appalachian, conservative, Republican.
By this definition, the majority of Pennsylvania and about half of New York State are the South, too.


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[Kentucky is] arguably as midwestern as southern Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, or Ohio.

The northern 10-15% of the state might be considered Midwestern with a strong southern influence, especially the three counties that are part of the Cincinnati metro area, but the rest of the state is not Midwestern in character or any significant inflence. I will admit that Kentucky is the outlier among southern states, though.

This map of the incidence of words by which one addresses a group of people (you guys, you all, y'all) says a lot.

Source:http://nordic.businessinsider.com/co...=article-image
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Old 02-23-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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Missouri is a fairly southern state outside of the largest two metros in the state, STL and KC. Yes, they are very frightened of snow as everything closes down for very small amounts. Culturally, it is very Bible Belt outside the large metros and more conservative politically than most states in the US these days. Rural poverty is often extreme, well maintained "neat and tidy" towns are not very common compared to anywhere in the upper Midwest. Educational attainment is often substantially less as well.
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:49 PM
 
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The Ozark area is pretty southern, similar to Tennessee, Arkansas or western NC
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:50 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Did the French people intermarry with the German, et al. settlers, or did they mostly marry within their own ethnic group? If the latter is true, I'm guessing their Roman Catholic heritage kept them distinct from the other Lutheran and Baptist groups in the area, allowing them to preserve their culture, including their language, into the 20th century.
Missouri's French eventually became Americanized for the most part but the surnames are still around. I know some that go back in Missouri to before 1780. A lot of the old towns have French beginnings. Fredericktown was originally Saint Michel. Before Potosi was founded by Moses Austin (Stephan Austin's father) the local settlement was Mine au Breton. As far as the language speakers go I don't know the answer to that question with any certainty except that I noticed that all the women looked alike. It could have been an extended family. They were pretty isolated in the backwoods as I recall but there were Catholic churches in the area. It was easily 40 years ago when I encountered them and they were pushing 80. I saw somewhere that there are a couple people who still know the dialect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_French
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