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Old 08-09-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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IIRC a genetic study last year showed the average Dominican was slightly more white than African. Something on the range of 48% white and 44% African, with the remainder Native American. So based upon the preponderance of ancestry, it's not really correct to say most are black, although due to the U.S. color line, people who are as little as a quarter African are commonly seen as black.

Many Central American countries have black populations. However, generally they are not Spanish-speaking. Black Panamanians are mostly the descendants of Jamaicans who moved there to help build the Panama Canal. Some may have switched to English a generation before, but many still speak English even in Panama (which is now officially bilingual). The Mosquito coast of Nicaragua, and to a lesser extent adjoining parts of Honduras and Costa Rica, have black populations, but they are traditionally English-speaking, as the area was an unofficial British colony for long periods (similar to Belize). Parts of Central America have Garifuna populations, who are mixed Black/Native, but they speak their own language.

Most Afro-Latinos who aren't highly mixed are from Cuba, Columbia, and Ecuador. But you can find enclaves of them still in even in places you wouldn't expect, like Peru.
Every country in the entire Western Hemisphere has significant visible black and/or Afrodescendant populations, and yes nearly all of them are Spanish speaking.

You're wrong on what you stated on Black Panamanians. Most Black Panamanians are NOT the descendants of Jamaicans that moved to Panama to help build the Panama Canal.*

Panamanians and many others may lead you to believe or mistakenly believe that descendants of West Indian blacks are the only black people in the nation or country of Panama, but they are sadly misinformed or just aren't aware.

The majority of black Panamanians in Panama are actually COLONIAL BLACKS (Afro-colonials) which are the blacks that are the descendants of enslaved Africans brought to Panama during the Spanish colonial period era. They are Spanish speaking and Roman Catholic. In fact the first palenqué acknowledged in the Western Hemisphere by Spain was in Panama in the year 1582.

Also colonial blacks have always been more scattered and dispersed more around and throughout Panama.

And nope, Panama is NOT an officially bi lingual nation. The official and national language of Panama is Spanish. The largest immigrant group in Panama has always been Colombians. Panama was part of Colombia until 1903/1904 and/but officially until 1921/1922.

And descendants of West Indians in Panama have been assimilated for generations in Panama. Many have never even known or spoke English. The West Indian's experience in Panama was never homogenous. It varied. You had West Indians that assimilated rapidly especially if they settled into areas with high proponderances of Spanish speakers. Some West Indians also may have even passed for black Panamanians as well. In addition West Indians as a strong ethnic group and political force diminished rapidly as many West Indians immigrated abroad mainly to the USA or back to the West Indies. In fact most Panamanian people that people tend to meet in the USA are those of West Indian descent. But back in Panama it is very diverse and has a very substantial black population that is NOT West Indian at all.

People often mistakenly attach Panama's African roots soley to West Indians that came back in the day but they omit the very significant influence of the traditional Spanish speaking colonial black component that has been in Panama since colonial times. In fact people even stupidly label Afro colonial contributions under the label "antillanos" when many times it's not from the Antillean/West Indian group. IJS

Nicaragua has Spanish speaking blacks. Honduras has Spanish speaking blacks as well. Costa Rica also has Spanish speaking blacks. Descendants of West Indian blacks speak Spanish now and if lucky to have maintained English, they also speak English.*

Garifuna communities speak Spanish as well as Garinganu/Garifuna.

What is your definition of "highly mixed"? Who and what is the starting point or ending point for mixed or for who and what is or can be Afro Latino? Also you have to determine who identifies as Afro-Latino. Afro-Latino and black do NOT (necessarily) mean the same thing. You can find people of predominant or significant African ancestry in every country in the Western Hemisphere.

It's not shocking to hear about Afro-descendants in Peru. Afro-descendants are everywhere. There are people that don't know that the USA has any blacks. Go figure.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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Many of the Central American countries have Black, Spanish speaking communities as well, but like you mentioned, the Black/people of African descent population is diverse.

I believe that Venezuela and Uruguay also have Black populations where a good portion aren't mixed or are of mostly African descent as well. Chincha is/was the center of Black culture in Peru.
True. In addition, you can find pure, predominant, and mixed populations of black and African descent all throughout Latin America. Heck, this is true for the entire worldwide globe for that matter.
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:09 AM
 
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every country in the entire western hemisphere has significant visible black and/or afrodescendant populations, and yes nearly all of them are spanish speaking.

You're wrong on what you stated on black panamanians. Most black panamanians are not the descendants of jamaicans that moved to panama to help build the panama canal.*

panamanians and many others may lead you to believe or mistakenly believe that descendants of west indian blacks are the only black people in the nation or country of panama, but they are sadly misinformed or just aren't aware.

The majority of black panamanians in panama are actually colonial blacks (afro-colonials) which are the blacks that are the descendants of enslaved africans brought to panama during the spanish colonial period era. They are spanish speaking and roman catholic. In fact the first palenqué acknowledged in the western hemisphere by spain was in panama in the year 1582.

Also colonial blacks have always been more scattered and dispersed more around and throughout panama.

And nope, panama is not an officially bi lingual nation. The official and national language of panama is spanish. The largest immigrant group in panama has always been colombians. Panama was part of colombia until 1903/1904 and/but officially until 1921/1922.

And descendants of west indians in panama have been assimilated for generations in panama. Many have never even known or spoke english. The west indian's experience in panama was never homogenous. It varied. You had west indians that assimilated rapidly especially if they settled into areas with high proponderances of spanish speakers. Some west indians also may have even passed for black panamanians as well. In addition west indians as a strong ethnic group and political force diminished rapidly as many west indians immigrated abroad mainly to the usa or back to the west indies. In fact most panamanian people that people tend to meet in the usa are those of west indian descent. But back in panama it is very diverse and has a very substantial black population that is not west indian at all.

People often mistakenly attach panama's african roots soley to west indians that came back in the day but they omit the very significant influence of the traditional spanish speaking colonial black component that has been in panama since colonial times. In fact people even stupidly label afro colonial contributions under the label "antillanos" when many times it's not from the antillean/west indian group. Ijs

nicaragua has spanish speaking blacks. Honduras has spanish speaking blacks as well. Costa rica also has spanish speaking blacks. Descendants of west indian blacks speak spanish now and if lucky to have maintained english, they also speak english.*

garifuna communities speak spanish as well as garinganu/garifuna.

What is your definition of "highly mixed"? Who and what is the starting point or ending point for mixed or for who and what is or can be afro latino? Also you have to determine who identifies as afro-latino. Afro-latino and black do not (necessarily) mean the same thing. You can find people of predominant or significant african ancestry in every country in the western hemisphere.

It's not shocking to hear about afro-descendants in peru. Afro-descendants are everywhere. There are people that don't know that the usa has any blacks. Go figure.
well said!
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:39 AM
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I would start with Harlem. For those who want to split (ethnic) hairs, I would stick with the three major classifications of people. That why they were developed, for morphological purpose.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:30 AM
 
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Ybir city here in Tampa used to have a large Afro Cuban community. Not sure if it still does or not hidden in between the streets.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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As well as many liberal blacks. It's usually blacks that uphold and keep alive the racist one drop rule
People of all races will use the one-drop rule to their advantage or to someone else disadvantage. Folks take umbrage with Black people identifying Tiger Woods as Black because he's half Asian. But if Tiger Woods weren't a world famous golfer, and he was instead someone who stole your car, or robbed you, those folks would have no problem identifying him as a Black perp. Many folks on the Right(and Left) weren't too pleased with Blacks identifying Obama as "Black". But then those same folks who get mad at blacks for calling Obama Black, go on and say he's anti-White, and break-down every racial convo he has as coded anti-White language. Especially when he referred to his White mother as a "typical white person". If they don't identify Obama as Black, and he has a White mother, than what was so racist about what he said? Isn't he part White? See how folks OTHER THAN Black people use the One Drop Rule to their advantage?

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Old 10-07-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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People of all races will use the one-drop rule to their advantage or to someone else disadvantage. Folks take umbrage with Black people identifying Tiger Woods as Black because he's half Asian. But if Tiger Woods weren't a world famous golfer, and he was instead someone who stole your car, or robbed you, those folks would have no problem identifying him as a Black perp. Many folks on the Right(and Left) weren't too pleased with Blacks identifying Obama as "Black". But then those same folks who get mad at blacks for calling Obama Black, go on and say he's anti-White, and break-down every racial convo he has as coded anti-White language. Especially when he referred to his White mother as a "typical white person". If they don't want folks identifying Obama as Black, and he has a White mother, than what was so racist about what he said? Isn't he part White? See how folks OTHER THAN Black people use the One Drop Rule to their advantage?
You should have also mentioned that if people called Tiger by his given name of Eldrick, I bet there would be a different view of him based on his first name.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:35 AM
 
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You should have also mentioned that if people called Tiger by his given name of Eldrick, I bet there would be a different view of him based on his first name.
Most definitely. Sounds like a black name.
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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there arent any black spanish speaking neighborhoods in the U.S. Even Dominicans, for the most part, are mixed/mullato.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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there arent any black spanish speaking neighborhoods in the U.S. Even Dominicans, for the most part, are mixed/mullato.
Yeah, there probably aren't any majority black Spanish neighborhoods. Most neighborhoods with black Hispanics, have a racially mixed population of that particular nationality. Black Dominicans seem to congregate in the same hoods as White Dominicans.
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