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Old 11-30-2012, 03:52 AM
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Me and family are moving from Washington state, having two little ones the rain is such a downer it's time for a change.

We been trying to settle on a place and it keeps becoming more & more complicated the more we think about it and I thought maybe some feed back would help. Off-grid living is limited by a variety of factors, Warm/low humidity climates are much more practical for energy production and the states we can build in are limited due to the designs we want to use.

What we are looking for in a place.
  • Inexpensive rural land
    Sunshine & warmth.
    Low cost of living, Low property taxes.
  • Culturally white Liberal-tarian leaning, More Gary Johnson than Chuck Baldwin.

Here's our candidates.

New Mexico

The biggest apprehension I have about new mexico is that it is 80% Hispanic, moderately high crime rate and low income. Culturally who lives here? Is the Hispanic community acclimated rural folk or Viva la Raza L.A banger types? Is it more John Redcorn or a bunch of Meth coyotes? Who are you more likely to find in New Mexico? I-40's a big runners free way...

A) http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV...0,214,314_.jpg Or B)https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...JlDu6wUn5AhmiL

  • Inexpensive land.
    Low property taxes/low cost of living.
  • Good sunshine for solar off grid electricity/water heating energy usage.
  • Cheap permits/light bureaucracy for building alternative structures (Earthships/Earthbag constructions)
  • Border issues High crime
    low income

  • Pros

    Inexpensive land.
  • Good sunshine for solar off grid electricity/water heating energy usage
  • Good Job markets//pics3.city-data.com/forum/
  • Cons

    Small counties with inconsistent permitting. (Only a minor issue in texas)
  • High property tax
  • "Big" weather events.
    Sterotype suggests Texans aren't really tolerant of non-natives.
    The state strikes me as unstable and noisy.



Really uncomfortable with the "stop & ID".

Cons, Border issues/violence.


On paper Colorado looks promising, but if there is an Illuminati the Denver airport is there HQ. Every anecdotal egregious violation of authority I see on youtube seems to happen in Colorado. When I think of Colorado I think of the SWAT team randomly frisking an entire middle school, dogs being confiscated for their breed and the creepy smile on the guards face at Cheyenne mountain when he said shoot civilians to protect the facility during an event of civil unrest.

I picture it as a really green lush state with thousands of Bloomberg esque bureaucrats trying to ban things and really pissed off police looking for excuses to taze people.

But finance and climate wise it seems ideal, I'd love to hear accounts of Colorado suggest I'm wrong about it being a militarized police state.


Low income high taxes, other than it's perfect.
I am a Deist with no religion but I've liked every Mormon person I've ever met, I remember missionaries picking up paint brush's and helping me paint my porch and after getting stuck in the Nevada desert for three hours the first people to stop and help was a Mormon family. The only people I like more than Mormons are paranoid hippies, but in the event of a zombie apocalypse If I had to leave my kids with someone it be Mormons.



Nevada has more violent crime than any state in the country and the job market has dried up allegedly due to Indian gaming.

I am trying to find out if Vegas skews the whole margins but other than that it has the same benefits as the rest of the South West.

SE Oregon


Good weather
Shorter move


Poor job market/high taxes
Still in the disaster zone if the west coast falls off in to the ocean.

So those are the candidates, which would you choose or not choose and why?

Last edited by JMT; 11-30-2012 at 05:30 AM..
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:19 AM
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Utah is in my opinion the best choice and would go further to say the area around Moab would probably best fit your liberal/libertarian leanings.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:01 AM
Location: Victoria TX
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Well, I would certainly not reject a place based on your perception that it will "fall off into the ocean". Quite a few of your concerns are extremely low-probability hazards, a much lower risk than rain in Seattle, which makes it hard to suggest anywhere. I have found Texans to be very welcoming of outsiders. In fact, half of all Texans are newcomers. The percentage of white non-hispanics born outside Texas is 48% in Houston and 46% in Dallas.

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