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Grouping Missouri, Maryland, and Delaware with the three states listed on the thread opener in a modern standpoint is ridiculous. These states lean more Northern from a modern standpoint and this is certainly true of their major cities. Kansas City, St. Louis, Wilmington and Baltimore have nothing in common with Louisville, Charleston, Tulsa, or Oklahoma City.
Absolutely.
Also, as it pertains to Oklahoma's history, a lot of folks (for whatever reason) forget that Oklahoma was Confederate Territory. Kentucky and West Virginia were much more split on allegiance to either the Union and/or Confederacy.
Oklahoma, of course, was not a state at this time, but it was a territory controlled by the Confederacy. The last battle of Cherokee General Stand Watie occurred on Indian Territory (present day Oklahoma) soil.
Parts of Arizona and New Mexico were also occupied by the Confederacy. In fact, Arizona was not a named territory until the Confederates created one. Neither one of the states is Southern, except maybe Arizona's politics.
Kentucky is really the only all-southern state listed. West Virginia has a lot of northeastern/mid atlantic influences, and Oklahoma has a lot of Western influences (I would say OKC is much more western than southern).
Kentucky is really the only all-southern state listed. West Virginia has a lot of northeastern/mid atlantic influences, and Oklahoma has a lot of Western influences (I would say OKC is much more western than southern).
And, of course, there isn't an ounce of Midwestern influence to be found in Kentucky, right?
...c'mon, now. Each of these states clearly overlap with non-southern regions.
The thing is, Oklahoma is pretty much Confederate...in a way.
The 5 Civilized tribes that made up Oklahoma were Confederate and the territory sat under Confederate control during the war.
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This isn't accurate. The Chickasaw and Choctaw aligned with the confederacy. The Creeks and Seminole aligned with the Union and the Cherokee were split.
Furthermore, while the confederates did control a good portion of the territory initially during the war, the Union won both major battles fought in Indian territory (Honey Springs and Boggy Creek) and occupied the key points in indian territory.
There were several smaller battles that the confederacy won in Indian territory, most notably the battle of Round Mountain. Ironically the battles that the confederates won in IT were against Union troops consisting of Seminole and Creek soldiers.
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This isn't accurate. The Chickasaw and Choctaw aligned with the confederacy. The Creeks and Seminole aligned with the Union and the Cherokee were split.
Furthermore, while the confederates did control a good portion of the territory initially during the war, the Union won both major battles fought in Indian territory (Honey Springs and Boggy Creek) and occupied the key points in indian territory.
There were several smaller battles that the confederacy won in Indian territory, most notably the battle of Round Mountain. Ironically the battles that the confederates won in IT were against Union troops consisting of Seminole and Creek soldiers.
As a Choctaw with ties to the Confederacy from both Native American & Anglo stock I say, serves those Seminole/Creek right!
I would have to go with Kentucky an easy first... and West Virginia a distant second... Oklahoma a lightyears third.
Agreed -- of these three states, Kentucky is the only solidy "southern" state. Oklahoma is cowboy and Indian country -- the West with a bit of midwest thrown in. A lot of folks from West Virginia are pretty quick to point out that they were NOT part of the Confederacy whereas folks from Kentucky almost seem apologetic about this fact.
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