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Rust belt cities in decline, looking for ideas how to revive Detroit, Cleveland, Camden, Gary, Flint, lower crime rates, murder rate, poverty rate

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Old 10-23-2007, 09:51 PM
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Cleveland and Detroit are nowhere near as difficult long-term as the basket cases of Youngstown and Flint.
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Old 10-23-2007, 11:33 PM
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I forgot to talk about Chicago. Disregarding its size, it is the miracle of the Midwest. Without the demagogery of Daley Sr., the city would have quickly declined beyond recognition, IMO. It basically took a benevolent, dictorial mayor. It didn't have to be permanent, but Chicago got through what would have been its darkest days. Now it has a strong core, half-a-city of great neighborhoods, relative affordability, world-class amenities and it all is getting better by the day. That said, alot of Chicago still looks alot like the other rust belt cities. But, since there is a strong core, city and metropolitan region around it, that has the quick potential to rebound. Once other areas reach a tipping point, it will become too expensive to leave the South and West sides to violence and decay. that is the difference between chicago and other large cities. The others lost more of their core and neighborhoods, they lost their impetus for change. It can be had back, but I really think there needs to be the same sort of strong-arm mayor. Once one side trhives for long enough, things spill over. It makes me optimistic (when I am usually not) to think of the potential of the other rust belt cities. Detroit is 2/3rds the size of Chicago. Imagine two million extra people living in the city limits of Detroit. It can be done, and I think it eventually will be done. Detroit, Cleveland and Buffalo would all have over a million people. They are close together and can be connected in the style of the Eastern Seaboard. They become regionally linked. Their economies work in unison. Basically, the Midwest has the amenities of the East, with the prices of the South with the water not found in the West. A recipie for success, IMO.
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Old 10-24-2007, 12:58 AM
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The chief proponent of the above idea is the usual socialist suspect. I'm talking about Lyndon LaRouche, of course. Save the industrial base, build nuclear power plants and high-speed rail links, and eff the South.

I love it, actually. But he also thinks we need to be best friends with China and Russia, which will never happen for base reasons of geopolitical logic. It's just unrealistic. But it's true that the Great Lakes basin is prime candidate for not less, but more, development.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:25 PM
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The concept and the mission of socialism isn't the biggest problem. It is the abuse of it that is the problem. When socialism is run amuck and it becomes there to be abused, then that is the end. Moderated socialism could work. Instead of someone moving to a place just for welfare, there needs to be a system where a person can get welfare for a certain amount of time and have a job appointed for him or her, rather than letting someone just live off of welfare and do no work. If you are disabled to where its irreversible, then it is understandable. What needs to be do is to get people working. One of the pitfalls of socialism is that the tax base can shrink whenever the persons with the largest tax base leave. A city depends on its people. Whenever there are more poor residents in a city that don't have jobs because of some economical downturn, city services will shrink as well. Whenever there is money circulating and plenty of people working, the tax base stays stable.
Another issue is unionized labor. I am in favor of treating workers fairly. With that said, you have alot of unionized labor trying to be greedy. Alot of comapanies leave because of union labor.
The Rust Belt cities can return to glory once again. It will take alot more work to do so.
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