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SF is a truly LIBERAL city, its population, government, voting patterns, social mores, sexuality, expenditures, social services, religiosity, and budget.
New Orleans LA doesn't come close, and is highly Catholic. Miami is full of practicing Catholics and conservative Hispanic nuclear families and traditions. Asheville is an island surrounded by "North Carolina" true southerners...lots of Baptist conservatives.
Yes, the standard bearer for truly liberal cities is in fact San Fran, and then perhaps Seattle.
NOWHERE in the South comes close....not even tiny St. Augustine. Keep in mind, Miami supported very conservative Marco Rubio....another example of conservative Hispanic culture.
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I view a truly liberal area as one where people who don't fit the mold, whether they be gay, nerdy/non athletic, autistic, or athiests/non church goes can go through life without ridicule or scorn, or bullying.
Additionally perhaps we should make a distinction between liberal cities and "LEFTIST cities".
SF, of course, qualifies as both.
Another argument could be made that no city in the state of FLORIDA aren't southern other than by geography, certainly not Miami, Boca, Ft Lauderdale, Orlando, Jupiter, Tampa, St Pete, Sarasota, Bradenton, Naples or Ft Myers........Tallahassee is another animal, so is Jax.
What I'm saying is that the South is not monolithic, even within the same State. For example I would contend that Huntsville AL is more "liberal" (even progressive) than Montgomery and Birmingham. Having said that I would not label Huntsville/Madison a truly liberal city either.
I had an acquaintance back in the '90s who went into his County Clerk's office (Florida panhandle) and wanted to register as a Democrat. The Clerk refused because he would be disenfranchising himself -- 'Democrats don't run for office in that county or if they do they never win' was the rationale. He persisted and was finally allowed to register as a Demoocrat. I'm guessing that the attitude hasn't changed a great deal in some of those areas -- but even the Democrats are right-wingers anyway.
IMO, Seattle is more liberal than SF these days with passing things like 15$ minimum wage. Seattle also doesn't have a large NIMBY liberal elitist segment that has shades of old school conservatism or what some like to call "Neoliberalism" like SF does these days.
I view a truly liberal area as one where people who don't fit the mold, whether they be gay, nerdy/non athletic, autistic, or athiests/non church goes can go through life without ridicule or scorn, or bullying.
The south doesn't fit that at all
i've never witnessed gay, autstic, atheists, being ridiculed or scorned in the south in 35 years. i don't think atheists / non church 'break the mold', you just have a stereotype that most people in south are religious.
a few nerdy / non athletic where picked on when i was young but that happens everywhere.
where have you lived in the south? I see you talking about it a lot. you make a lot of assertions about people in the south but it does not seem possible that you know most of them.
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i've never witnessed gay, autstic, atheists, being ridiculed or scorned in the south in 35 years. i don't think atheists / non church 'break the mold', you just have a stereotype that most people in south are religious.
a few nerdy / non athletic where picked on when i was young but that happens everywhere.
where have you lived in the south? I see you talking about it a lot. you make a lot of assertions about people in the south but it does not seem possible that you know most of them.
I never lived in the south, but most of my mothers family lives in TN and NC and I would go down there. And I occasionally pull loads to the south as a favor (Western 11 driver). It is righr leaning religious in those parts
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