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Old 03-24-2013, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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No, actually, politically liberal means that the rights of society are more important than the rights of the individual. That's the antithesis of individual freedom. That's why liberals believe so strongly in taxing from the people who have earned their money and giving it to the poor unfortunates who refuse to work. Apparently, it is society's money, not the individual's money and it needs to be redistributed to make life more fair for all of society.

It's the liberals who want to cancel our constitutional rights because they think it will be better for society as a whole if there are no guns.
Actually, it doesn't. That's one branch of liberalism just as one branch of conservatism is increasing government spending, protectionist economic policies, nation building, corporate welfare, out of control deficits, and viewing government's most important role as regulating the bedroom.

Since I'm really only concerned with government preserving individual liberty and being fiscally responsible, I can't decide which party I like less. They both get Fs on both scores. Obama had some rhetoric I liked on the personal freedoms side, but in actuality he just continued on from where Bush left off.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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People think of the PNW as "liberal" in the West Coast liberal definition sense of the word. That is quite possibly because there has been a large influx of Californians moving into the larger areas of the PNW in the past decades who have tended to have liberal leanings. They certainly have influenced the PNW but I would not consider the entire PNW as an entirly liberal area in that sense of the definition.

It was once considered more as provincial and conservative. Maybe even more libertarian. But if you look at the PNW as a whole, I would still today not define the entire area as liberal. I couldn't really define it as any one thing due to the mixture of the population that now inhabits it.

I would say though, that depending upon where you go, you can pretty much find just about anything here these days.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:03 AM
 
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No, actually, politically liberal means that the rights of society are more important than the rights of the individual. That's the antithesis of individual freedom. That's why liberals believe so strongly in taxing from the people who have earned their money and giving it to the poor unfortunates who refuse to work. Apparently, it is society's money, not the individual's money and it needs to be redistributed to make life more fair for all of society.

It's the liberals who want to cancel our constitutional rights because they think it will be better for society as a whole if there are no guns.
He's referring to the original definition of the word liberal. You know, what it meant for hundreds of years before Bill O'Reilly and others starting ranting about "liberals" this and "liberals" that. Look it up - liberal politically means a very different things than you think.

Liberalism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-26-2013, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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The PNW is liberal but it doesn't come off to me as liberal as the northeast. For example, the same-sex marriage movement began in New England 10 years ago and Massachusetts was the first state to legalize it. Today, almost all of the northeast U.S. except for 3 states have legalized it. Washington state, on the other hand, legalized same-sex marriage only last year.
But that's only one of many "liberal" issues. Oregon long ago decriminalized marijuana, has medical marijuana, and probably will legalize it soon. Not to mention assisted suicide. Washington has its own share of them. And then there's the topic of environmental issues. The bottle bill was an Oregon invention. The beaches are all public, etc. Oregon and Washington are the only all vote-by-mail states.

As for same-sex marriage, Oregon long ago legalized civil unions. And in 2004, Portland tried to sneak through legalizing same-sex marriage, even issuing marriage licenses to couples. It was shortly struck down through legal channels, though, and I think that the way they tried to circumvent the voters is what led to it not being legalized.

So they have their fair share of liberalness.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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The Pacific Northwest is pretty similar to Northern New England, in that the partisan affiliation of the region changed in the last 30 years, but the actual politics haven't as much. It was for a long time an area known for moderate-to-liberal Republicans (Bob Packwood, most famous for the sex scandal now, was one of the last ones).
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Renton Washington
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Leave the Triangle (Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia and this place is pretty conservative. Even some places in Tacoma I saw to be conservative.

As for Oregon It is the same (Corvallis, Eugene, Portland) Matter in fact I consider Oregon a swing state in 2016
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