There's lot of Southern threads so let's talk about Northern!

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

I think you would find St. Louis a bit less northern overall once you actually live in a city that is more solidly northern all the way around overall. Just my opinion. I should know as I've lived in many different cities and states.

I think you seem to be running out of real estate on your argument. Several posters have just proven that Cincinnati, Philadelphia, and other cities like them have climates similar to that of STL. And STL is practically on the same latitude as Cincy, and you know that. KC is on the exact same latitude as Cincy. And in terms of latitude it is not much further south than Philadelphia is either..less than 100 miles. And Indy, Columbus, KC, etc. are not all incredibly different from STL's weather either. I have relatives that lived in Cleveland for years, and I know what a northern city feels like. St. Louis fits right in with that bunch far more than it does the South. St. Louis is a Northern city before it is a Southern one, and that is beyond debate. All you have is the climate argument, and quite frankly, that's a pretty weak one as many other posters have proven. Demographically, culturally, industrially, and linguistically, St. Louis is more of a Northern city. Plus, it benefited from migrants during the Great Migration. I agree that St. Louis is not Northern like Chicago or Minneapolis, but it is nonetheless a Northern city. I once heard a term describing Kansas City, ST. Louis, Cincinnati, and Baltimore as among the southernmost Northern cities (IMO DC should be grouped into this as well.)

[tallydude02]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

I think you would find St. Louis a bit less northern overall once you actually live in a city that is more solidly northern all the way around overall. Just my opinion. I should know as I've lived in many different cities and states.

I get what you're saying. It applies to the southern cities as well. Louisville, KY is a southern city, but Birmingham, AL is more solidly southern.

Pittsburgh is a northern city, but upstate NY cities and the upper midwest feel more northern.

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by tallydude02

I get what you're saying. It applies to the southern cities as well. Louisville, KY is a southern city, but Birmingham, AL is more solidly southern.

Pittsburgh is a northern city, but upstate NY cities and the upper midwest feel more northern.

This I'd agree with.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by tallydude02

I get what you're saying. It applies to the southern cities as well. Louisville, KY is a southern city, but Birmingham, AL is more solidly southern.

Pittsburgh is a northern city, but upstate NY cities and the upper midwest feel more northern.

Correct. This is what I was trying to get across in my prior post.

[JoeTarheel]

Funny thing...whether it's a Northern thread or a southern thread they all end up being pretty much the same discussion.