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Old 04-26-2013, 07:07 PM
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Because the biggest problem this country continues to face is its treatment of black people. Immigrants are given greater consideration. Asian, Indians, Hispanics are given great consideration. The largest canyon of racial divide is between black people and white people. Hispanics, Asians, Indians to a far lesser degree. A map of segregation involving Hispanic people doesn't nearly tell the story.

In general, any discussion about "minority" should not include blacks since black people are in a league of their own in how racism in this country negatively impact them when compared to whites. There is "minority", then there is "BLACK MINORITY." The terminology needs to change to reflect modern times.

Good map of segregated cities.
I agree that black segregation has a different historical context and the black-white racial divide is larger than any other group. But still, blacks are still one of several minorities. American population isn't divided into black and white anymore and comparing segregation just looking at blacks and whites misses the general picture. It's not the 60s anymore, demographics have changed.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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In Pittsburgh, that's about all there is, black and white. I don't know the demographics of the other cities.
I saw a report that showed Allegheny County is the 3rd least segregated place for Hispanics in America but when they only make up 1.5% of the population you cant expect a Latino enclave.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Franklin, TN
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Interesting article with the graphics.
Chicago and Detroit don't surprise me at all. New Orleans seems to be integrating a little bit after Katrina.
Heres what the least segregated city in the Northern US looks like: All sizes | Race and ethnicity 2010: Indianapolis | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Even the black majority northeast side has whites and Hispanics mixed in too.
Plus the northwest side/Pike Township is very diverse.
Apparently not, according to the link in the OP.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Why mention any of it when it's mostly economic? Anyone of any race can live in any neighborhood they choose and can afford in 2013. Some people choose neighborhoods where they are in the majority race, and that's okay, but most of it depends on income levels.
I don't think this is true, at least regarding black/white segregation. There aren't too many more whites in black middle class enclaves in Prince Georges County, Maryland, or DeKalb County, Georgia than there are in the ghetto.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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I saw a report that showed Allegheny County is the 3rd least segregated place for Hispanics in America but when they only make up 1.5% of the population you cant expect a Latino enclave.
Well, yeah, that's pretty obvious.
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Interesting article with the graphics.
Chicago and Detroit don't surprise me at all. New Orleans seems to be integrating a little bit after Katrina.
Heres what the least segregated city in the Northern US looks like: All sizes | Race and ethnicity 2010: Indianapolis | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Even the black majority northeast side has whites and Hispanics mixed in too.
Plus the northwest side/Pike Township is very diverse.
The least segregated major city in the north is probably St Paul.

Race and ethnicity 2010: Minneapolis | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

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Old 04-26-2013, 10:11 PM
 
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First of all, it is important to stop usinng the word Segregation, where no segregation has occurred. "Segregate" is an active verb, describing something done by an agent:

Segregate:

1. to separate or set apart from others or from the main body or group; isolate: to segregate exceptional children; to segregate hardened criminals.
2.
to require, often with force, the separation of (a specific racial, religious, or other group) from the general body of society.

The action described in that verb is illegal in the USA, and there isn't anybody in America who are separating or setting apart anybody. All the people in those 21 cities are living where they choose to live, constrained only by their economic ability to accommodate themselves in neighborhoods of varied cost of living, nor the entitlement of people to rent or buy homes wherever they can afford one.

In every community, some areas are occupied by people of higher or lower wealth. This is also occurring in the 21 cities in this study. The fact that people of a certain racial identity predominate in certain economic classes has nothing whatsoever to do with urban planning or the development of housing.

In short, nobody has "segregated" these cities. To call them "segregated" implies that some authoritarian agency has forced people to live in certain neighborhoods.
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:18 PM
 
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^^Well, that was true in the past in some places.
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:20 PM
 
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It should be clarified, this study is measuring only black segregation.
True.

Cities that rank low for black segregation (i.e. San Francisco, Seattle, San Jose) also non-coincidentally have very low black populations overall. Segregation is American as apple pie unfortunately.

I'm from San Francisco. San Francisco is segregated. The northern half or San Francisco is very white and affluent, much like Northwest DC or lower Manhattan. The suburban-like west side of San Francisco in neighborhoods like the Sunset is majority Asian with a significant amount of whites mixed in.

Here's where it gets interesting though. San Francisco's poorly publicized ghetto neighborhoods have always been racially integrated with poor blacks living right next door to Asians, Pacific Islanders, Latinos and a minority of whites. In SF, you won't even see black people who live in the city unless you go to the ghetto. In reality, whites in SF have much less contact with blacks than whites in DC, NYC or Baltimore because there are so few blacks in SF and the ones who do live there live in the depths of the ghetto located far away from downtown where whites, as a group, usually never tread. This is where the completely inaccurate yet common stereotype held by upper middle class white people of San Francisco being such a "nice place" with "no ghettos" comes from.

Most of these ghetto neighborhoods in SF are in the southern half of The City in places like Hunter's Point and Lakeview. San Francisco has several relatively small heavily black neighborhoods scattered throughout the city instead of being concentrated in one large neighborhood like, say, Harlem in Manhattan. The only places in San Francisco that are overwhelmingly black are the public housing projects. But even many of SF's public housing projects have many Samoans, some Latinos and other marginalized Southeast Asian groups (i.e. Cambodians, Vietnamese) living with blacks there as well.

Racial integration in inner city neighborhoods is common in the Bay Area. Some of the worst of the worst Oakland neighborhoods are ironically the most diverse and racially integrated:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...rs-2815969.php

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Old 04-26-2013, 10:22 PM
 
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i think that violence is the great segregator not prejudice. it isolates people terribly from all those that have the money to escape it
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