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Old 03-25-2017, 12:06 AM
 
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You were asking about how many tourists Miami gets, so I responded with recent articles I found about Miami.
You should probably post your source for that crazy statement. Are you really claiming Austin gets more tourists than Miami? I have numerous sources that I will post that shows Miami alone having twice as many tourists than the entire state of Texas. Miami ranks only behind NYC in the U.S. for tourists.



https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ted-us-cities/


https://skift.com/2014/06/18/20-most...elers-in-2013/

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Old 03-25-2017, 12:34 AM
 
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That's good. But what's your point? Are Texans supposed too be impressed by Miami?

See here's the thing Miami as well as Florida is a great state to visit, I lived there back in 2009 for a short time. The thing is Florida lacks jobs (In which people need) which Texas has lots of. You can go on saying how much Florida is so much better than Texas. I really don't care, the facts says it all.
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Old 03-25-2017, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Who cares if you or anyone else thinks Texas has more diverse landscapes than Florida. See how dumb that sounds. What's the point of having diverse landscapes if they are rooted in mediocrity. It's like the old saying quality over quantity. I urge anyone that has not been to both states to Google "Florida scenery" and "Texas scenery" and compare the two. Then Google "Oklahoma scenery" and compare it to the Texas search. You can't even tell the difference even when comparing hundreds of photos.

Texas might be diverse but there are many other states in the U.S. with the same exact landscapes. Nothing comes close to Florida on the U.S. mainland. The name Florida even means land of flowers.

Once again can you tell me the reason why the Miami metro area alone gets more tourists than the entire state of Texas? If it's not because of the natural beauty it must be because it's urban environment is that much better than Texas's? Would love to hear your reasoning.. Why don't people go to Texas for vacation? It's because vacation areas are usually beautiful places. Isn't that widely known?
Thing is, beauty is completely subjective while diversity, though it can be defined in different ways, is not.

https://www.google.com/search?q=flor...w=1920&bih=929
https://www.google.com/search?q=texa...w=1920&bih=929
https://www.google.com/search?q=okla...w=1920&bih=929

Did exactly what you said to. I didn't add any other key words to make Texas or Oklahoma look better or to make Florida looks worse, they are just the first images that come up. Yeah, Texas looks MUCH more diverse than Florida. In my opinion, the Florida doesn't look any more appealing and, while Oklahoma does seem to share the plains with Texas, there are differences. Not that any of that matters, because a Google image search isn't a scientific measure.


Also, what the heck is up with the url codes? They work nothing like I am used to on other websites, so I decided to just post the links directly.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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That's good. But what's your point? Are Texans supposed too be impressed by Miami?

See here's the thing Miami as well as Florida is a great state to visit, I lived there back in 2009 for a short time. The thing is Florida lacks jobs (In which people need) which Texas has lots of. You can go on saying how much Florida is so much better than Texas. I really don't care, the facts says it all.
Actually Florida has been one of the best states in the country for job growth and median income growth for years now. Take a look at the rankings I posted at the very bottom of this post. Florida ranks near the top on almost all of them in job growth and many key overall economic indicators, and above Texas in many of them.

States With the Strongest Job Growth in 2016



Let me guess you are going to say Florida has less median income than Texas right. Look at this link below. It shows Florida's median income at $49,000 and Texas at $55,0000. For comparison North Carolina's was $47,000, Georgia's was $51,000 and Ohio's $51,000. The poverty rate is actually lower in Florida than in Texas. Texas leads the country in people with no health insurance by far. Take a look.

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/in...ebystatereport



Next I'm guessing you will say Texas's cost of living is lower. Texas having a lower cost of living indicates many things, but it's not as low as many people think.







Texas job growth and GDP growth has been dismal the last few years. A lot of it has to do with Houston dropping off big time in many key economic indicators. The last couple of years Houston has gained about the same number of jobs as Boise, Idaho. Dallas had more than 10 times as many jobs created than Houston in 2016. Take a look at this link below. I haven't seen a major city drop off like that since Detroit did. Take a look at the GDP growth for Texas below. Has anyone ever seen such a huge drop off in GDP growth like that before for a such a huge state doing well just years before? If you have I would love to know. It's actually pretty scary since Texas's population is growing a lot faster than the other states below that also have really low GDP growth. In 2015 the Houston metro actually lost GDP, going from 522 billion to 503 billion. If anyone has any examples of other large metro areas ever having that kind of drop off please post them.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm


https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/reg...ewsrelease.htm












https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nkings/economy

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-cities-for-jobs/2173/

The top 10 states to find a job in America

Large Cities Rankings - 2016 Best Cities for Job Growth | Newgeography.com


States With Top Job Growth in the First Half of 2016

US states economy ranking Q4 2015 - Business Insider


https://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm


The 10 American Cities With the Most New Job Openings | Fortune.com

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ities-for-jobs


States with the Fastest Job Growth

Job Growth by State | Department of Numbers

https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/reg...16/spi0316.htm


The 10 Best States To Find A Job - Best College Reviews

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Old 03-25-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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Yet Florida economy relies on tourism. Please explain why Florida was hit very hard during the downturn, while Texas managed to ride it out. Point is Texas does have boom and bust cycles do to the O/G industry. Houston today is in better shape than it was last year, but we are not nearly as vulnerable as Florida. Another downturn and Florida is back under.

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Old 03-25-2017, 10:49 AM
 
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Probably Florida.... Then Georgia and last Texas.
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Old 03-25-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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Yet Florida economy relies on tourism. Please explain why Florida was hit very hard during the downturn, while Texas managed to ride it out. Point is Texas does have boom and bust cycles do to the O/G industry. Houston today is in better shape than it was last year, but we are not nearly as vulnerable as Florida. Another downturn and Florida is back under.

Oh I didn't know that we should take into account future things that may or may not happen. Are you counting on having a recession anywhere close to as large as the one ten years ago? Texas did not ride anything out. The whole country was hit badly. Florida was hit hard because of the housing bubble down there, not tourism. That kind of thing is not even possible again and things were put in place nationwide to protect against it happening again.

Don't you think the stigma of oil and it being phased out will affect Texas' growth? Every day young people dislike oil more and more. Once they start getting​ into power it's all but set in stone. That's a real thing thats happening as we speak, not some imaginary future occurrence that you made up. Both Florida and Texas are diversifying their economies, but let's not act like Houston and Texas in general isn't getting slammed right now. Just look at the GDP growth figures I posted, the drop off is unreal. I have family there and they see it in the newspaper paper every single day. If Texas ever took a economic downturn what would draw people to Texas? I really don't know since all I hear about Texas is jobs jobs jobs on this forum like somehow it's the only thing that matters.

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Old 03-25-2017, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Actually Florida has been one of the best states in the country for job growth and median income growth for years now. Take a look at the rankings I posted at the very bottom of this post. Florida ranks near the top on almost all of them in job growth and many key overall economic indicators, and above Texas in many of them.

States With the Strongest Job Growth in 2016



Let me guess you are going to say Florida has less median income than Texas right. Look at this link below. It shows Florida's median income at $49,000 and Texas at $55,0000. For comparison North Carolina's was $47,000, Georgia's was $51,000 and Ohio's $51,000. The poverty rate is actually lower in Florida than in Texas. Texas leads the country in people with no health insurance by far. Take a look.

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/in...ebystatereport



Next I'm guessing you will say Texas's cost of living is lower. Texas having a lower cost of living indicates many things, but it's not as low as many people think.







Texas job growth and GDP growth has been dismal the last few years. A lot of it has to do with Houston dropping off big time in many key economic indicators. The last couple of years Houston has gained about the same number of jobs as Boise, Idaho. Dallas had more than 10 times as many jobs created than Houston in 2016. Take a look at this link below. I haven't seen a major city drop off like that since Detroit did. Take a look at the GDP growth for Texas below. Has anyone ever seen such a huge drop off in GDP growth like that before for a such a huge state doing well just years before? If you have I would love to know. It's actually pretty scary since Texas's population is growing a lot faster than the other states below that also have really low GDP growth. In 2015 the Houston metro actually lost GDP, going from 522 billion to 503 billion. If anyone has any examples of other large metro areas ever having that kind of drop off please post them.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm


https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/reg...ewsrelease.htm












https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nkings/economy

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-cities-for-jobs/2173/

The top 10 states to find a job in America

Large Cities Rankings - 2016 Best Cities for Job Growth | Newgeography.com


States With Top Job Growth in the First Half of 2016

US states economy ranking Q4 2015 - Business Insider


https://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm


The 10 American Cities With the Most New Job Openings | Fortune.com

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ities-for-jobs


States with the Fastest Job Growth

Job Growth by State | Department of Numbers

https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/reg...16/spi0316.htm


The 10 Best States To Find A Job - Best College Reviews
Florida is only better in growth, at least for the past couple of years, and insurance rates, although I wouldn't call that an economic indicator. And on the part of growth rates dropping, um, remember the Great Recession which Texas powered through? I'll rather take Texas' currency economic troubles over the economic troubles states like Florida had in 2008. Texas at least continued to grow. Growth is great and should be celebrated, at least in terms of economic growth, but Florida is still catching up to Texas, which is expected to only see better economic outcomes this current year.

Florida still is more expensive, still has lower incomes, still has higher inequality, and still has lower GDP per capita. It's unemployment rate might be lower now, depending on the numbers that were recently released, but that would only be a recent change, since Texas has a lower rate just a couple of weeks ago. As for poverty, Florida does have a higher poverty rate when you actually take into account how things cost more. This despite Florida adding so many jobs and Texas going through two very bad years which is expected to end (or has according to some).
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Old 03-25-2017, 12:42 PM
 
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Florida is only better in growth, at least for the past couple of years, and insurance rates, although I wouldn't call that an economic indicator. And on the part of growth rates dropping, um, remember the Great Recession which Texas powered through? I'll rather take Texas' currency economic troubles over the economic troubles states like Florida had in 2008. Texas at least continued to grow. Growth is great and should be celebrated, at least in terms of economic growth, but Florida is still catching up to Texas, which is expected to only see better economic outcomes this current year.

Florida still is more expensive, still has lower incomes, still has higher inequality, and still has lower GDP per capita. It's unemployment rate might be lower now, depending on the numbers that were recently released, but that would only be a recent change, since Texas has a lower rate just a couple of weeks ago. As for poverty, Florida does have a higher poverty rate when you actually take into account how things cost more. This despite Florida adding so many jobs and Texas going through two very bad years which is expected to end (or has according to some).

Texas ranks 43rd for income equality and Florida 46th, hardly a difference worth mentioning.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ni_coefficient


One of the reasons why Florida ranks low on things like GDP per capita is because all the retirees there don't contribute anything toward the GDP number, but are still factored into the population number when doing the math.

http://www.insurancethoughtleadershi...opulation/pdf/

This whole debate about Texas and Florida's economy was started by me responding to someone who claimed someone shouldn't take anything into account other than "jobs" while having a discussion about the beauty of the two states. It seems like Texas posters like to claim "but Texas has the best jobs" when debating any subject like it somehow blows away all other states and is the only factor people should take into account. Once again I would love to hear some reasons that attract people to Texas other than "jobs", because that's all I hear around here.










https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ates_by_income


https://www.fool.com/investing/gener...-to-spend.aspx




And when adjusting for Cost of Living



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Old 03-25-2017, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Texas ranks 43rd for income equality and Florida 46th, hardly a difference worth mentioning.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ni_coefficient


One of the reasons why Florida ranks low on things like GDP per capita is because all the retirees there don't contribute anything toward the GDP number, but are still factored into the population number when doing the math.

http://www.insurancethoughtleadershi...opulation/pdf/

This whole debate about Texas and Florida's economy was started by me responding to someone who claimed someone shouldn't take anything into account other than "jobs" while having a discussion about the beauty of the two states. It seems like Texas posters like to claim "but Texas has the best jobs" when debating any subject like it somehow blows away all other states and is the only factor people should take into account. Once again I would love to hear some reasons that attract people to Texas other than "jobs", because that's all I hear around here.










https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ates_by_income


https://www.fool.com/investing/gener...-to-spend.aspx




And when adjusting for Cost of Living

Main things I hear about people who move here, besides economics. The wide open space, the diversity, family, and the people. That said, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people who move anywhere, even Florida, does so for economic reasons. Maybe not stats like GDP per capita or the unemployment rate, but for belief that, for their individual situations, a move to said location to financially beneficial.
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