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Ironically, Texas in general has the largest black population of any state in America. Including other states in the south. The argument will be that Texas's geographic size is the reason for its large black population. Which, by that logic, California and Alaska should have much bigger black populations than Texas. Yet, we all know thats not the case.
The fact that theres a discussion about the size of Texas's black population qualifying it or disqualifying certain regions of Texas from the Deep South, when the state itself has the largest black population in the country anyway.
The fact that theres a discussion about the size of Texas's black population qualifying it or disqualifying certain regions of Texas from the Deep South, when the state itself has the largest black population in the country anyway.
It has one of the overall largest populations anyway.
LOL well we can talk about those too, for sure, I mean, why not? I can stop along the side of the road just about anywhere in the Deep South (not including Texas of course, because I don't include Texas in the Deep South) and buy boiled peanuts. Here, they seem to be a rarity.
Why do we cross over the state line and suddenly there are tons of African Americans in Louisiana? Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina?
Yes, I know you're African American, by the way. My kids are too. Well, half. People often consider them to be African American.
Funny thing is if you go back to my initial post I never once argued that East Texas is Deep South. You initially said Tyler was Southwestern compared to the Deep South and I simply wanted you to clarify what is southWESTERN about it. I think your opinion rest on grits, cowboy churches and boiled peanuts. Which I still want to know what's WESTERN about it.
But you bring up a good point. Let's talk about the Black percentages and why it's different in East Texas compared to the Deep South. Since you asked.
The reason why there are more African Americans in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina is due to slavery. Slavery is the reason why there are so many Black people in the Lower South. The fertile lands created a demand for slave labor in the Lower South so a lot of Enslaved people who were in the Upper South in the first half of slavery in America were transported in the Lower South via the Second Middle Passage aka the domestic slave trade.
Texas as you know, is a much younger state than the states you consider the Deep South. But plenty of counties in East Texas and the Eastern region of Texas functioned like the rest of the Lower South. Because a lot of planters, slave owners and opportunist from that SAME region settled in Texas and CONTINUED the institution of slavery.
Now if you look at the 1860 map, there are counties in East Texas where the Enslaved population outnumber the White population. I was born in one of the counties that had one of the biggest enslaved populations in Texas (Harrison county). There are counties like Harrison, Bowie, Fort Bend, Brazoria, Marion that have an enslaved population bigger than the White population as well.
Because those states are older they have more of an investment in slave labor hence the huge population of Black people now. But i'm curious, what's the percentage of enslaved people does a county need to be a DEEP SOUTHERN region?
Also I stated before, Texas has 2 metropolitan areas that have drained Black East Texans dating back since the early 1900's. That and the Great migration to states like California, Washington, Missouri ,etc. impacted the population of Black East Texans in comparison to Deep Southern states who didn't have growing metros the size of DFW and Houston in close proximity. Even though cities like Memphis and New Orleans was a hub for growth they didn't continue to grow like a Houston or DFW.
My point is not to claim East Texas is the Deep South, I just want you to make a good argument as to why you think it isn't. You haven't done that so far.
So does California. But the black population pales in comparison.
And even with Houston included, the Asian population pales in comparison in Texas, compared to California. So what? The two states are quite different in many ways that have nothing to do with deep South vs. South.
Funny thing is if you go back to my initial post I never once argued that East Texas is Deep South. You initially said Tyler was Southwestern compared to the Deep South and I simply wanted you to clarify what is southWESTERN about it. I think your opinion rest on grits, cowboy churches and boiled peanuts. Which I still want to know what's WESTERN about it.
But you bring up a good point. Let's talk about the Black percentages and why it's different in East Texas compared to the Deep South. Since you asked.
The reason why there are more African Americans in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina is due to slavery. Slavery is the reason why there are so many Black people in the Lower South. The fertile lands created a demand for slave labor in the Lower South so a lot of Enslaved people who were in the Upper South in the first half of slavery in America were transported in the Lower South via the Second Middle Passage aka the domestic slave trade.
Texas as you know, is a much younger state than the states you consider the Deep South. But plenty of counties in East Texas and the Eastern region of Texas functioned like the rest of the Lower South. Because a lot of planters, slave owners and opportunist from that SAME region settled in Texas and CONTINUED the institution of slavery.
Now if you look at the 1860 map, there are counties in East Texas where the Enslaved population outnumber the White population. I was born in one of the counties that had one of the biggest enslaved populations in Texas (Harrison county). There are counties like Harrison, Bowie, Fort Bend, Brazoria, Marion that have an enslaved population bigger than the White population as well.
Because those states are older they have more of an investment in slave labor hence the huge population of Black people now. But i'm curious, what's the percentage of enslaved people does a county need to be a DEEP SOUTHERN region?
Also I stated before, Texas has 2 metropolitan areas that have drained Black East Texans dating back since the early 1900's. That and the Great migration to states like California, Washington, Missouri ,etc. impacted the population of Black East Texans in comparison to Deep Southern states who didn't have growing metros the size of DFW and Houston in close proximity. Even though cities like Memphis and New Orleans was a hub for growth they didn't continue to grow like a Houston or DFW.
My point is not to claim East Texas is the Deep South, I just want you to make a good argument as to why you think it isn't. You haven't done that so far.
Oh, I believe I have and I also believe it doesn't matter one way or the other so I'm done. And I'm looking at current maps (which I posted) by the way.
And even with Houston included, the Asian population pales in comparison in Texas, compared to California. So what? The two states are quite different in many ways that have nothing to do with deep South vs. South.
My point was Texas being one of the largest states doesn't have much to do with why the state has the largest black population when other larger states have a much smaller black population. It's because Texas is a southern state.
It has one of the overall largest populations anyway.
True, and it has THE largest overall black population.
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