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Old 10-14-2013, 08:39 AM
 
Location: NY, NY
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Yes.

I'll rebut the counter preemptively. Who cares if Los Angeles has already hosted? Obviously the IOS doesn't, see Athens, London and now Tokyo. If anything, the IOC has a demonstrated preference for returning to certain cities. What baffles me is Americans like to view ourselves as hyper-competitive. When WATCHING the Olympics, we want to win every possible medal, including those in sports we've never seen, much less played. But when it comes to the Big Prize, actually winning the stinking bid, our true selves are revealed: a bunch of fractured, self-interested, helicopter parents at their kids' AYSO game. "Its not your turn, Philadelphia has been waiting forever". "Detroit has had rough time in his new school, let him play." "Put in Tulsa, she deserves a chance."

This is not Major League Baseball, where the Houston Astros get an automatic player to represent at the All Star Game. Chicago and NY already swung and missed. There is only American city with a proven track record of winning and hosting an unqualified successful Olympics, and that city has the best chance to win the bid again on its own merits.
You forget how political the IOC is though. There is no way the European delegation would ever let LA hold a 3rd Olympics before they gave a 3rd games to Paris. Sorry but LA is NEVER getting the Olympic games until Paris gets its 3rd games.

Also, the games for 2020 will most likely be in either Africa or Asia. 2016 is Rio so they will want to bring the games back to another continent. And I know the US is North America but many people around the world consider No and So America one continent.
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Old 10-14-2013, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Brew City
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You forget how political the IOC is though. There is no way the European delegation would ever let LA hold a 3rd Olympics before they gave a 3rd games to Paris. Sorry but LA is NEVER getting the Olympic games until Paris gets its 3rd games.

Also, the games for 2020 will most likely be in either Africa or Asia. 2016 is Rio so they will want to bring the games back to another continent. And I know the US is North America but many people around the world consider No and So America one continent.
The 2020 games have already been awarded to Tokyo.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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The 1996 Olympics were loaded with problems, so I don't see them taking another chance on a mid-level US city. If the Summer Games happen again in the US, it will be New York, Los Angeles, Chicago or maybe the SF Bay Area.
How is the Bay Area a city?

LA has hosted them enough, and I really don't understand why. The only reason I can see is the weather.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:19 PM
 
Location: LBC
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How is the Bay Area a city?

LA has hosted them enough, and I really don't understand why. The only reason I can see is the weather.

Yeah just the weather. Must’ve been all Hollywood hype.

Or that majority of the entire '32 US contingent team came from Southern California, or that local participation in Olympic sports is such that a hugely disproportionate share of all US Olympians continue to come from here.
The Geography of Team USA - Richard Florida - The Atlantic Cities

2012 London Olympics: In Producing Olympians, California Is Shaming Texas - WSJ.com

Or that by itself, Long Beach would have been 17th in total medals of the 204 nations competing in the most recent Olympics.
http://www.gazettes.com/sports/olymp...9bb2963f4.html

Or that among collegiate medalists, USC was first, Cal second, Stanford third.
Golden State Gold: California's Athletes Win 93 Olympic Medals | News Fix | KQED Public Media for Northern CA

Or that ’32 was the first Olympics ever to turn a profit.

Or that ’84 was the second Olympics ever to turn a profit.

Or that the ’32 Olympics gave birth to the Olympics Village and victory stand.

Or that the 1984 Games are credited as saving the Olympics from extinction.
Op Ed: How Los Angeles Saved the Olympics

Or that the profitability of ’both 32 and ’84 was largely attributable to a local sports culture so broad and deep, virtually all the necessary facilities and venues already existed, and since have only increased in number and quality.

But yeah, not much other than that.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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Hasn't Tulsa already got the frontline on a US bid at this point?
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Yeah just the weather. Must’ve been all Hollywood hype.

Or that local participation in Olympic sports is such that a hugely disproportionate share of all US Olympians continue to come from Southern California
[URL="http://m.theatlanticcities.com/arts-and-lifestyle/2012/07/geography-team-usa/2751/"]The Geography of Team USA - Richard Florida - The Atlantic Cities[/URL]

[URL="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443792604577571232861904696.html"]2012 London Olympics: In Producing Olympians, California Is Shaming Texas - WSJ.com[/URL]

Or that by itself, Long Beach would have been 17th in total medals of the 204 nations competing in the most recent Olympics.
Olympics: Team LB Is Among World' Tops in Medals

Or that among collegiate medalists, USC was first, Cal second, Stanford third.
[URL="http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2012/08/13/golden-state-gold-californias-athletes-win-93-olympic-medals/"]Golden State Gold: California's Athletes Win 93 Olympic Medals | News Fix | KQED Public Media for Northern CA[/URL]

Or that ’32 was the first Olympics ever to turn a profit.

Or that ’84 was the second Olympics ever to turn a profit.

Or that the ’32 Olympics gave birth to the Olympics Village and victory stand.

Or that the 1984 Games are credited as saving the Olympics from extinction.
[URL="http://www.aroundtherings.com/articles/view.aspx?id=32758"]Op Ed: How Los Angeles Saved the Olympics[/URL]

Or that the profitability of ’32 and ’84 was largely attributable to a local sports culture so broad and deep, virtually all the necessary facilities and venues already existed, and since have only increased in number and quality.

But yeah, not much other than that.
Yes, the weather.

There is zero sports culture. The fans are notorious for showing up late and leaving early.
Who cares where medalists come from? That has nothing to do with whether or not a city should host.

That "sports culture" only has those facilities because teams wanted to move to the West Coast when it was an untapped frontier.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: LBC
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You forget how political the IOC is though. There is no way the European delegation would ever let LA hold a 3rd Olympics before they gave a 3rd games to Paris. Sorry but LA is NEVER getting the Olympic games until Paris gets its 3rd games.

Also, the games for 2020 will most likely be in either Africa or Asia. 2016 is Rio so they will want to bring the games back to another continent. And I know the US is North America but many people around the world consider No and So America one continent.
You raise good points about the internal politics & Euro-centric biases of the IOC., e.g., look at the elimination of baseball as an Olympic sport.

However, if "first to three" exists as a potential impediment to Los Angeles relative to Paris, that implicitly means a previous 2x host would not be not precluded from consideration. And if your premise of the IOC'c determination to return the Games to the Continent is indeed correct, Paris is already in the bag.

No disrespect intended to the other potential bidding cities, but they don't carry the international cache of Los Angeles. A city that is potentially the 7th largest in the US in 2024 is not going to win the vote over Paris. Los Angeles might.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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How exactly do you figure that? LA isn't as important as you all make it out to be.
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Old 10-15-2013, 03:00 PM
 
Location: LBC
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Yes, the weather.

There is zero sports culture. The fans are notorious for showing up late and leaving early.
Who cares where medalists come from? That has nothing to do with whether or not a city should host.

That "sports culture" only has those facilities because teams wanted to move to the West Coast when it was an untapped frontier.
So your city should host because its "sports culture" is superior at watching California athletes.
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Old 10-15-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: LBC
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How exactly do you figure that? LA isn't as important as you all make it out to be.
Figure what? Census data? Population projections?
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