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Old 01-26-2014, 08:32 PM
 
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Much of Michigan is still a mess, some Ohio cities are also in poor shape. People are still leaving states like MI, WI, Oh and IN.
Really? Ford alone is going to hire 5000 this year in Michigan.
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:05 AM
 
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In my opinion, yes. It's improving though, slowly but surely. The fact they have so much water and it's cheap to live there makes me think the region has potential to rise again.
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Old 06-21-2015, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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For some being from the "rust belt" has become an identity. I know here in upstate NY you can still see a lot of industrial dilapidation and rot but also a lot of areas blooming anew.

For example, Geneva is pretty lively whereas Elmira still suffers around the edges. Granted, Elmira is in a poorer region of the state (although the city itself is home to some very wealthy people) and that will affect things alone.
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Old 06-21-2015, 11:30 PM
 
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In a decade or so, it will be known as the "Green Belt" and other areas of the country might become the "Drought Belt." Don't underestimate the importance of the Great Lakes.
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Old 06-22-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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It seems that people in (say) upstate NY embrace the term, but generally it's considered an insult around here. I've never heard a person in Milwaukee talking about "living in the rust belt" or anything of the sort. Ditto every city in the state, and Chicago, and Duluth, and etc. The further from the east coast you get, the less you'll hear anyone self-reference "rust belt," in general.
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Old 06-22-2015, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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It seems that people in (say) upstate NY embrace the term, but generally it's considered an insult around here. I've never heard a person in Milwaukee talking about "living in the rust belt" or anything of the sort. Ditto every city in the state, and Chicago, and Duluth, and etc. The further from the east coast you get, the less you'll hear anyone self-reference "rust belt," in general.
Interesting. I wonder why. Yeah the history is depressing but it's also our history, you know?

That would kind of be like finding the terms Appalachia or New England or New Jersey offensive. Okay maybe that last one would make sense...
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:24 PM
 
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Interesting. I wonder why. Yeah the history is depressing but it's also our history, you know?

That would kind of be like finding the terms Appalachia or New England or New Jersey offensive. Okay maybe that last one would make sense...
Because it conjures up images of states full of nothing but rusty, abandoned factories and economic desolation, which is anything but the truth for the vast majority of these states. Take Michigan, for example. Detroit takes up less than 0.01% of the state's total land mass, and the majority of the rest of the state is fertile farmland and dense forests, yet you will hear Michigan referred to as a "rustbelt" state, as if the whole state is nothing but a manufacturing graveyard. So disrespectful and inaccurate.

Why not take a peek at some of the photo threads of the "rustbelt" states and see for yourselves? I know it feels good to a lot of people to put down one area to make them feel superior for living in a different area, but truth and honesty are always nice too.
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Because it conjures up images of states full of nothing but rusty, abandoned factories and economic desolation, which is anything but the truth for the vast majority of these states. Take Michigan, for example. Detroit takes up less than 0.01% of the state's total land mass, and the majority of the rest of the state is fertile farmland and dense forests, yet you will hear Michigan referred to as a "rustbelt" state, as if the whole state is nothing but a manufacturing graveyard. So disrespectful and inaccurate.

Why not take a peek at some of the photo threads of the "rustbelt" states and see for yourselves? I know it feels good to a lot of people to put down one area to make them feel superior for living in a different area, but truth and honesty are always nice too.
I don't have to look it up because I've lived it. haha

I understand that perspective. Entirely logical.

I think maybe one reason NY doesn't take it so negatively is that we are always fighting perception battles on other fronts. A lot of us feel as though we are always trying to prove that poverty; mountains; rural areas; farms; forests; nice people; good food; all exists in NY state.

Whether or not the term "rust belt" is offensive kinda takes a back seat here perhaps?
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:59 PM
 
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I don't have to look it up because I've lived it. haha
I know, that wasn't directed at you, it was directed at people who use the term "rustbelt" as a way to put down an entire region that they often actually know very little about.

The difference between using a moniker like "rustbelt" vs. something like New England or the Desert Southwest is that the term "rust" in and of itself represents decay and has a very negative connotation. I find it offensive, just as I would find it offensive if someone were to coin the phrase "smogbelt" to describe the whole of the southern half of the state California because there is smog in LA, or "povertybelt" to describe the entire Southeast just because there are some poor, rural areas. Not only offensive, but obviously not accurate.
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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I know, that wasn't directed at you, it was directed at people who use the term "rustbelt" as a way to put down an entire region that they often actually know very little about.

The difference between using a moniker like "rustbelt" vs. something like New England or the Desert Southwest is that the term "rust" in and of itself represents decay and has a very negative connotation. I find it offensive, just as I would find it offensive if someone were to coin the phrase "smogbelt" to describe the whole of the southern half of the state California because there is smog in LA, or "povertybelt" to describe the entire Southeast just because there are some poor, rural areas. Not only offensive, but obviously not accurate.
No worries! I understand. You certainly have a point.
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